+1 from me as well. Thanks, Przemek
On 2022/04/22 20:49:26 Xingjian SHI wrote: > +1 on opt-out > > Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > ________________________________ > From: Joe Evans <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2022 4:58:14 PM > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Cc: Chris Olivier <[email protected]>; Marco de Abreu > <[email protected]>; * Anirudh Subramanian <[email protected]>; * > Bing Xu <[email protected]>; * Bob Paulin <[email protected]>; * Carin Meier > <[email protected]>; * Chiyuan Zhang <[email protected]>; * Dick Carter > <[email protected]>; * Eric Xie <[email protected]>; * Furkan Kamaci > <[email protected]>; * Haibin Lin <[email protected]>; * Henri Yandell > <[email protected]>; * Hongliang Liu <[email protected]>; * Indhu Bharathi > <[email protected]>; * Jackie Wu <[email protected]>; * Jason Dai > <[email protected]>; * Jian Zhang <[email protected]>; * Joe Spisak > <[email protected]>; * Jun Wu <[email protected]>; * Leonard Lausen > <[email protected]>; * Liang Depeng <[email protected]>; * Ly Nguyen > <[email protected]>; * Madan Jampani <[email protected]>; * Markus Weimer > <[email protected]>; * Mu Li <[email protected]>; * Nan Zhu > <[email protected]>; * Naveen Swamy <[email protected]>; * Przemysław > Trędak <[email protected]>; * Qiang Kou <[email protected]>; * Qing Lan > <[email protected]>; * Sandeep Krishnamurthy <[email protected]>; * Sergey > Kolychev <[email protected]>; * Sheng Zha <[email protected]>; * > Shiwen Hu <[email protected]>; * Tao Lv <[email protected]>; * Terry Chen > <[email protected]>; * Thomas Delteil <[email protected]>; * Tianqi > Chen <[email protected]>; * Tong He <[email protected]>; * Tsuyoshi Ozawa > <[email protected]>; * Xingjian Shi <[email protected]>; * YiZhi Liu > <[email protected]>; * Yifeng Geng <[email protected]>; * Yu Zhang > <[email protected]>; * Yuan Tang <[email protected]>; * Yutian Li > <[email protected]>; * Zhi Zhang <[email protected]>; * Zihao Zheng > <[email protected]>; * Ziheng Jiang <[email protected]>; * Ziyue Huang > <[email protected]>; [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP > > Hi all, > > Thanks for the responses and concerns. I see that most would rather have an > opt-out process and be included as an initial member by default. I will post > the proposed resolution in the Github issue[1] that includes all PPMC by > default. If anyone would like to opt-out of being appointed as an initial > member, please discuss here or on the issue. Looking forward to having a > community vote soon and having all your support as PPMC. :) > > Regards, > Joe > > references: > [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20984 > > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 4:50 PM > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > On the same boat here. > > - Joe: Do you mind sharing the Apache guideline we follow to enforce: > > "I'd like to request all PPMC that would like to be included as an initial > member in the resolution to please respond on this thread within the next 72 > hours so we can finalize the resolution." > > Thanks, > Qing > > ________________________________ > From: Chris Olivier <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2022 16:41 > To: Marco de Abreu <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Cc: * Anirudh Subramanian > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Bing Xu > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Bob Paulin > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Carin Meier > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Chiyuan Zhang > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Dick Carter > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Eric Xie > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Furkan Kamaci > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Haibin Lin > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Henri Yandell > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Hongliang Liu > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Indhu Bharathi > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Jackie Wu > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Jason Dai > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Jian Zhang > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Joe Spisak > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Jun Wu > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Leonard Lausen > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Liang Depeng > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Ly Nguyen > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Madan Jampani > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Markus Weimer > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Mu Li > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Nan Zhu > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Naveen Swamy > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Przemysław Trędak > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Qiang Kou > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Qing Lan > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Sandeep Krishnamurthy > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Sergey Kolychev > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Sheng Zha > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Shiwen Hu > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Tao Lv > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Terry Chen > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Thomas Delteil > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Tianqi Chen > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Tong He > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Tsuyoshi Ozawa > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Xingjian Shi > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * YiZhi Liu > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Yifeng Geng > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Yu Zhang > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Yuan Tang > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Yutian Li > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Zhi Zhang > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Zihao Zheng > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Ziheng Jiang > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; * Ziyue Huang > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; Joe Evans > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP > > responding although I am also suspicious of the process > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 4:11 PM Marco de Abreu > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > I’m not sure that this is the way this process works. I can recall from the > back of my mind that unless somebody opts out (you’re requesting an opt-in), > they will graduate from a PPMC to a PMC. > > Would you be so kind to check again to make sure we’re following the right > process? > > -Marco > > On Fri 22. Apr 2022 at 01:08, Joe Evans > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > +CC'ing all PPMC to ensure visibility > > Hi MXNet Community, > > Just to follow-up on this discussion, I am currently working on drafting a > resolution to be considered by the Apache board for graduating the MXNet > project. I believe typically all PPMC are appointed to be initial members of > the graduated top-level project. We have a large number (50) of PPMC and I > believe not all PPMC are still active and may have no interest in being a > member of the newly graduated project. I'd like to request all PPMC that > would like to be included as an initial member in the resolution to please > respond on this thread within the next 72 hours so we can finalize the > resolution. > > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:27 PM Marco de Abreu > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > +1 > > Thanks for pushing our graduation and I agree that Sheng would be a great > chair! > > -Marco > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 23:03 Joe Evans > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > BCC'ing all mentors > > > > Hi MXNet Community, > > > > Apache MXNet (incubating) has been an incubating project since January, > > 2017[1]. Since then, the project has matured and adopted the Apache > > Software Foundation’s principles and philosophy around building and > > maintaining open source software. There is a thriving community of > > developers and users from all over the world that regularly contribute to > > the project. > > > > Here is a brief overview of the progress of the Apache MXNet (incubating) > > project and community since entering the incubator: > > > > Community > > > > - > > > > 37 new PPMC members were added, bringing the total number of PPMC > > members to 50 > > - > > > > 55 new committers were added (which include new PPMC members), bringing > > the total number of committers to 86 > > - > > > > The total number of contributors is now 870 and growing. > > - > > > > The dev@mxnet mailing list[2] currently has X subscribers, and all > > major > > project discussions happen there. > > > > Project > > > > - > > > > 18 releases[3] by 13 different release managers. All compliance issues > > have been resolved with the 1.9.0 and 2.0.beta releases. > > - > > > > MXNet website[4] is now compliant with Apache Project Website > > requirements[5] > > - > > > > MXNet has completed the project maturity self assessment[6] > > > > Concerns > > > > Although I think most of the issues noted below have been resolved, I did > > want to bring up a few problems that have been identified with the project > > in the past. > > > > Licensing and Branding Issues > > > > The IPMC brought up some release and branding issues and filed a JIRA > > ticket[7] back in June, 2020. The community addressed the concerns but the > > ticket remains open. > > > > We also went through an extensive license audit throughout the 1.9.0 > > release[8][9], switch from using a DISCLAIMER-WIP to DISCLAIMER and added > > automated license checking tools to prevent future licensing issues from > > being introduced. We are confident we now comply with ASF requirements and > > have the tools in-place to stay compliant. > > > > Distribution Rights and IP Clearance > > > > Our project status page[1] does not have dates under the Copyright and > > Verify Distribution Rights sections. Based on the ticket[10] when the > > source code was initially imported, an SGA was not required since MXNet > > wasn’t developed by a commercial entity. Since the code was already Apache > > 2.0 licensed, there was not a formal IP Clearance process completed. Based > > on the extensive license audit completed for the 1.9.0 release, I believe > > we can use the date when the release passed the general@incubator vote > > when > > the Distribution Rights were verified. Unless there are objections, I will > > get these dates set on the status page after this discussion has completed. > > > > Chair for Project > > > > In part of our draft resolution that we will create to be considered by the > > Apache Board, we must appoint a Chair to represent the project. Based on > > his long project history and continued involvement, I would like to > > nominate Sheng Zha as the project Chair. > > > > > > This discussion will be open for at least 72 hours. > > > > References: > > [1] > > https://incubator.apache.org/projects/mxnet.html<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.apache.org%2Fprojects%2Fmxnet.html&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=z%2Fg%2FdXBjM5UBhCVlwMWS%2BxU9l35og2%2FBsrtANzrAqiU%3D&reserved=0> > > [2] > > lists.apache.org/[email protected]<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.apache.org%2Flist.html%3Fdev%40mxnet.apache.org&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=g6aPFr3QJGUnM%2BH%2BHJSfw%2FwfuvGXi68O%2FgU1Yf1HQTw%3D&reserved=0> > > [3] > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/releases<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Fincubator-mxnet%2Freleases&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=kJCyFbwQdRPBLDQDsWZsH0keXXcAzsTu4f0jbye4E2w%3D&reserved=0> > > [4] > > https://mxnet.apache.org/<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmxnet.apache.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=V41ASlhxrS4CT4GZdqbaziwTv78yjBGJi5%2F3nKhZrMg%3D&reserved=0> > > [5] > > https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.apache.org%2Ffoundation%2Fmarks%2Fpmcs&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=HilfPUO4%2FZmEQ5Xypd%2BJc7DiIq9tSy%2Fi%2FOMb%2FZt%2BvWg%3D&reserved=0> > > [6] > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+MXNet<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FMXNET%2FApache%2BMaturity%2BModel%2BAssessment%2Bfor%2BMXNet&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=WZ3uYwZSB%2BDXL351C9DlNtMaTrycmtb4bJvkv8cxL%2B8%3D&reserved=0> > > [7] > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fissues.apache.org%2Fjira%2Fbrowse%2FINCUBATOR-253&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=935gKBcfDUOVsmJg7kMd%2FQmkOJCGkS2ly7DqrLkJ610%3D&reserved=0> > > [8] > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20475<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Fincubator-mxnet%2Fissues%2F20475&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bgJEAHMoM7eNpPkvZld9L63LdtWPGSagojctbaZ36ZY%3D&reserved=0> > > [9] > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20616<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Fincubator-mxnet%2Fissues%2F20616&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bK6ZYS4a1ek53y%2BcTkCyGCDJLmAQIL8ScRXHm1givfU%3D&reserved=0> > > [10] > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-13800<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fissues.apache.org%2Fjira%2Fbrowse%2FINFRA-13800&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2Bo%2FJrTRgcRtdUHvqbAiOwz8g9QD4x0G0tYba034vbWw%3D&reserved=0> > > >
