I agree with comments on not breaking momentum by rebranding the name. It's also my first time hearing about the pronunciation being "mixnet" and not "m-x-net" so that clarification, along with the motivation behind the name, feature parity, would strengthen the brand more.
To that point, Sean Comb's evolution of 5 different names was more confusing than it was helpful. :) On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 1:58 PM, Rahul Huilgol <[email protected]> wrote: > Even changing the pronunciation is not an easy thing to do IMHO. As someone > who has been working on MXNet for the last 8 months, this thread is the > first time I am reading that MXNet is supposed to be pronounced 'mix-net'. > We risk losing the momentum even if we try to steer the pronunciation > towards something which is not popular currently. > > I agree Gluon is a friendlier/cooler name. But since we are trying to > present Gluon as an interface which multiple frameworks can implement, I'm > not sure if we should try to shift the focus away from MXNet and towards > Gluon. > > As far as adoption goes, I agree with Christopher that public benchmarks or > blog posts about how MXNet is better or more usable than other frameworks > would be worth spending effort on. Rebranding in a way to not lose the > existing momentum honestly sounds more difficult than this :) > > By the way, we had some talk of a new friendlier logo sometime back. What > happened to that? > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 1:43 PM, Aaron Markham <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Changing branding is hard as we already have some momentum under the > > current name. It's not impossible, and if someone has a fantastic idea > > and marketing plan for it, it's worth considering. > > > > Aside from that, updating the pronunciation could be useful if you > > like having those gif vs jif debates, but at least people would be > > talking about it. I personally like the sound of "mix-net" over > > "em-ex-net". Since we're just starting Youtube videos, I think it's a > > great idea to establish the pronunciation right away in those videos. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 1:33 PM, Chris Olivier <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > Just curious why you think it’s a bad idea — you didn’t say? > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 12:49 PM Chen HY <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > >> At least people needs a way to speak it. > > >> Just define its pronunciation as "mix-net" or "m-x-net" and use the > > agreed > > >> one everywhere helps a lot. > > >> Changing name is a bad idea. > > >> > > >> 2018-04-11 20:29 GMT+01:00 Mu Li <[email protected]>: > > >> > > >> > Agree that MXNet, the combination of Minerva and CXXNet, which can > be > > >> > interpreted as mixed-net, is hard to be pronounced. But rebranding a > > name > > >> > is a very big decision. We need a very carefully designed marketing > > plan > > >> > for it. > > >> > > > >> > A choice is that we can gradually refer MXNet as a backend, and talk > > more > > >> > about the frontend Gluon. > > >> > > > >> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Thomas DELTEIL < > > >> > [email protected]> > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > FWIW Brainscript is actually a network definition language: > > >> > > https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/cognitive-toolkit/ > > >> > > BrainScript-Network-Builder > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > Thomas > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > 2018-04-11 12:13 GMT-07:00 Chiyuan Zhang <[email protected]>: > > >> > > > > >> > > > IIRC CNTK renamed to something like brainscript which does not > > seem > > >> to > > >> > be > > >> > > > very successful publicity campaign? > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Chiyuan > > >> > > > > > >> > > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:18 AM Chris Olivier < > > >> [email protected]> > > >> > > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Should we consider renaming MXNet to something more > "friendly"? > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > IMHO, I think this may be related to adoption problems. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > MXNet, CMTK -- both seem sort of sterile and hard to use, > don't > > >> they? > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Tensorflow, PyTorch, Caffe -- sound cool. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > -- > > >> > > > Semt ftom m ipohne > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Chen Hanyang 陈涵洋 > > >> Software School Fudan University > > >> +86-138-1881-7745 > > >> > > > > > > -- > Rahul Huilgol >
