Not sure about changing name. But for branding, how about designing a mascot? No other frameworks have one yet. On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 at 23:01, Anirudh <anirudh2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Release naming sounds like a great idea. But we would need this for the > minor releases too, since many of our customers seem to be switching > between different minor releases. > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 2:39 PM, Chris Olivier <cjolivie...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Ha! good one, Ly! > > Let's not forget, though, a high percentage of us know who Sean Combs > is. I > > couldn't tell you one of his songs, his name changes were a > differentiator. > > > > Makes me think of something -- still another possibility could be the > > naming of major releases. Like Android does, for instance. "MXNet Alien", > > for instance for 2.0 (alien just being an example since my home PC is an > > Alienware). No one else is doing that and it doesnt make me think of > > something uncomfortable like "M-X-Net" does by itself. > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 2:21 PM Ly Nguyen <nguyen...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I agree with comments on not breaking momentum by rebranding the name. > > It's > > > also my first time hearing about the pronunciation being "mixnet" and > not > > > "m-x-net" so that clarification, along with the motivation behind the > > name, > > > feature parity, would strengthen the brand more. > > > > > > To that point, Sean Comb's evolution of 5 different names was more > > > confusing than it was helpful. :) > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 1:58 PM, Rahul Huilgol <rahulhuil...@gmail.com > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Even changing the pronunciation is not an easy thing to do IMHO. As > > > someone > > > > who has been working on MXNet for the last 8 months, this thread is > the > > > > first time I am reading that MXNet is supposed to be pronounced > > > 'mix-net'. > > > > We risk losing the momentum even if we try to steer the pronunciation > > > > towards something which is not popular currently. > > > > > > > > I agree Gluon is a friendlier/cooler name. But since we are trying to > > > > present Gluon as an interface which multiple frameworks can > implement, > > > I'm > > > > not sure if we should try to shift the focus away from MXNet and > > towards > > > > Gluon. > > > > > > > > As far as adoption goes, I agree with Christopher that public > > benchmarks > > > or > > > > blog posts about how MXNet is better or more usable than other > > frameworks > > > > would be worth spending effort on. Rebranding in a way to not lose > the > > > > existing momentum honestly sounds more difficult than this :) > > > > > > > > By the way, we had some talk of a new friendlier logo sometime back. > > What > > > > happened to that? > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 1:43 PM, Aaron Markham < > > > aaron.s.mark...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Changing branding is hard as we already have some momentum under > the > > > > > current name. It's not impossible, and if someone has a fantastic > > idea > > > > > and marketing plan for it, it's worth considering. > > > > > > > > > > Aside from that, updating the pronunciation could be useful if you > > > > > like having those gif vs jif debates, but at least people would be > > > > > talking about it. I personally like the sound of "mix-net" over > > > > > "em-ex-net". Since we're just starting Youtube videos, I think > it's a > > > > > great idea to establish the pronunciation right away in those > videos. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 1:33 PM, Chris Olivier < > > cjolivie...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Just curious why you think it’s a bad idea — you didn’t say? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 12:49 PM Chen HY <chenhy12...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> At least people needs a way to speak it. > > > > > >> Just define its pronunciation as "mix-net" or "m-x-net" and use > > the > > > > > agreed > > > > > >> one everywhere helps a lot. > > > > > >> Changing name is a bad idea. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> 2018-04-11 20:29 GMT+01:00 Mu Li <muli....@gmail.com>: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Agree that MXNet, the combination of Minerva and CXXNet, which > > can > > > > be > > > > > >> > interpreted as mixed-net, is hard to be pronounced. But > > > rebranding a > > > > > name > > > > > >> > is a very big decision. We need a very carefully designed > > > marketing > > > > > plan > > > > > >> > for it. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > A choice is that we can gradually refer MXNet as a backend, > and > > > talk > > > > > more > > > > > >> > about the frontend Gluon. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Thomas DELTEIL < > > > > > >> > thomas.delte...@gmail.com> > > > > > >> > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > FWIW Brainscript is actually a network definition language: > > > > > >> > > https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/cognitive-toolkit/ > > > > > >> > > BrainScript-Network-Builder > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Thomas > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > 2018-04-11 12:13 GMT-07:00 Chiyuan Zhang <plus...@gmail.com > >: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > IIRC CNTK renamed to something like brainscript which does > > not > > > > > seem > > > > > >> to > > > > > >> > be > > > > > >> > > > very successful publicity campaign? > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Chiyuan > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:18 AM Chris Olivier < > > > > > >> cjolivie...@gmail.com> > > > > > >> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Should we consider renaming MXNet to something more > > > > "friendly"? > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > IMHO, I think this may be related to adoption problems. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > MXNet, CMTK -- both seem sort of sterile and hard to > use, > > > > don't > > > > > >> they? > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Tensorflow, PyTorch, Caffe -- sound cool. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > -- > > > > > >> > > > Semt ftom m ipohne > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> -- > > > > > >> Chen Hanyang 陈涵洋 > > > > > >> Software School Fudan University > > > > > >> +86-138-1881-7745 > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Rahul Huilgol > > > > > > > > > >
