That may have been the approach that JBoss took, but Apache's policy
is to obey the requirements on Apache projects that implement JSRs.

Craig

On 4/14/05, Stan Silvert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OK, please forgive me if I missed some important stuff from the beginning of 
> the thread.
> 
> My point was simply that Sun should not force us to use a "lesser" name.  
> Unless I've missed it, I don't see that the license actually says anything 
> like that anyway.  From what I understand, and this is the way it was for 
> J2EE, we are not allowed to call ourselves a JSF implementation until we pass 
> TCK.  That seems to be the meaning of paragraph 2 of the license.  BTW, I'm 
> not an attorney and I don't play one on the net.
> 
> Of course I'm sure everyone wants us to pass TCK, Sun included.  This is why 
> I think we should contact someone with authority on this to make sure Sun 
> won't get bent out of shape if we just call it MyFaces 1.0.9.  Have we done 
> that?
> 
> Calling it beta or release candidate or whatever hurts the project as it 
> implies that MyFaces is not ready for prime time.
> 
> This just seems like common sense to me.
> 
> Stan Silvert
> JBoss, Inc.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Craig McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thu 4/14/2005 6:18 PM
> To: Stan Silvert
> Cc: MyFaces Development; Sean Schofield
> Subject: Re: Who belongs to the 'apsite' group on Minotaur?
> 
> On 4/14/05, Stan Silvert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > <rant>
> > It seems to me that all this will be very confusing for users whether we
> > call this "Beta" or "non-final".  We might as well call it "horse poop",
> > because nobody will want to use it in a real app.
> >
> > It IS MyFaces 1.0.9.  It should only be called "Beta" if it is not ready
> > for prime time.
> >
> > I know that before the JBoss Application Server passed the TCK we didn't
> > go around calling our product "Beta".
> > </rant>
> 
> And that was the subject of considerable discussions :-).
> 
> >
> > Can we get a clarification from Sun as to what the requirements are?
> > I'm sure they will be reasonable about it.
> 
> See the spec license at the front of the JSF specification, available at:
> 
>   http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=127
> 
> In particular, the second paragraph under "NOTICE: LIMITED LICENSE GRANTS".
> 
> Everyone has always wanted MyFaces to pass the TCK and be certified --
> it's just time to get with the program.
> 
> >
> > Stan Silvert
> > JBoss, Inc.
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > callto://stansilvert
> 
> Craig McClanahan
> Sun Microsystems, Inc.
> (Was co-spec-lead for JSF 1.0)
> 
> 
>

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