Szia (Hi) Charles!
Charles Schulz írta:
Hello Bernhard, Andre, Kami, all,
I'm going to try to answer to everybody in one single email.
Sophie pretty much summarized what I wanted to say. I'm just going to
react to the the various reactions on this list:
The specification itself (the way templates should be accessed into the
office suite) is all right and I would say that this is a normal work.
The problem, as Sophie pointed out, was that the scope of this page was
much broader. It included the idea of a repository made comments on the
documentation project, etc.
Look, if you check the competitors, you can see the web2.0 like
template/extension/add-on/whatever marketplace where users can upload,
vote, comment, tag, download templates. I happy with work of
documentation project but I think we need more... Scott and Gerry did a
good work at documentation project, congratulation. Also the contest is
breathing new air into this project, so this is a good piece of news for
all of us.
This page, as it seems, was not written by Kami, but by a so-called
iTeam. I don't know what this is, sorry if I missed some news here. But
its inspiration on several questions seems to come directly from Kami.
Yes, I had some ideas. But this is a brainstorming from me or based on a
real request from IZ.
I
would simply like to know why the interested parties were not included,
and worse, how we got to the point where nobody was actually asked to
join.
Hey, this is a Wikipage, everybody has invited.
I do reiterate my demand that apologies should be made to Gerry
and Scott from the Doc project.
Wrt to Kami, it is true that I explained to everybody that I would help
him include his works inside OOo. I tried. I tried very hard. In fact,
with the 2.0.4 the relevance of a "premium" build of OOo would be much
lessened, so I proposed Kami to integrate the OOo process itself: the
developers wanted to have somebody care about the templates management
(that was before the templates contest) and provide the QA (it is
necessary for those as well).
I still ready to work with you. I doesn't want to work in a separated
chapel. I just found sf provide the required resources for work... I am
happily help in template management, but I treally don not want to
upload and edit html files on one-by-one basis. Is an automated way is
planned for it in the near future? It should be the first step for
extension/templates/gallery marketplace. Look kde-files.org for idea...
I proposed Kami to work on this and take
charge of the templates collection, QA and management. Well he ended up
refusing.
I think it wasn't a refuse. I just want to run OxygenOffice until
extension thing not works perfectly. Currently there are nearly half
dozen issue that stops me like lack of gallery localizatuion support for
UNO packages, gallery related issues, etc. I think I was one of first
who made available non code extensions. You can check here:
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=170021&package_id=208656
And no one has held back to make available these packages or a part of
them in documentation/extension project. I really want to help you... So
you can explain the best way for it.
Apparently having its own stuff on SourceForge was more
important for him.
It is just for development. I think I have never had CVS rights for
template related stuffs.
I do ackowledge however that he agreed to change the
name of his bundle and that he put it under the LGPL.
It was always under LGPL.
Yet I keep
receiving complaints, people who ask me who is this guy who spams the
mailing lists. And no, "Oxygen Office" is not included inside the OOo
community, no matter how good this idea can be. Because if it were,
there would not be an OxyGen Office, there would be OOo, and a special
goodies packages available on our site, not on SourceForge's. But enough
with that.
Now Extensions are available... This may make things more simple. Also I
would like to ask other NLC members to provide template package for
their language. This would be a big help for us.
Firstly I would be happy with FR, IT, TR, KA templates, but others are
welcome.
This idea of a template project may be good.
I is good. This is where the world is moving.
The problem is not so much
the idea itself than the way it has grown. We all know about the need
for Hamburg to generate revenue. So we had an IRC session about that.
There will be a market place. There will also be free extensions.
Perhaps there will also be an extensions project with a different scope
(free stuff, training, etc.) Now we learn about these templates. That's
so confusing to me and to others. You see the point is that there is a
total lack of communication not just between the developers and the
non-coding community. It is also between the corporate developers and
the non-corporate community. Superior instances may put these developers
under pressure. But this is not a reason to act in this way. If you're
under pressure, say it, make us understand you are. And for God'sake,
let's coordinate and work together. None of us has anything to gain
about this behaviour. And I do think again that for Novell engineers to
jump in this story is really not appropriate. It simply credits the idea
that you have chosen to step over the community and that this is an art
in which you are excelling these days.
Best,
Charles.
Best regards,
KAMI
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