Hi Toni,
I was referring exclusively to Swing's ability to resize components in
response to changes in the container size. What makes it "even better"
is the ability to specify the desired behavior more directly. Contrast
this with HTML where you need to use voodoo magic to center text and
images: https://stackoverflow.com/q/396145/14731 and
https://stackoverflow.com/q/2939914/14731
* No one solution seems to work for everyone. There is always one
browser/platform that doesn't work.
* Some solutions that used to work stop working in a few browser
releases later.
* Users have to write 25+ lines of code to specify "center
vertically". And there are 10+ different ways of doing it. And
everyone swears their way is the best... but when you try using one
solution or another you inevitably discover they each have their own
edge cases.
Anyway, my point is that HTML is like XML. The syntax was designed for
computer consumption, not for readability by human beings. Swing is not
amazing by any stretch of the imagination, but it is better in that regard.
Gili
On 2018-03-18 12:40 AM, Toni Epple wrote:
Gili,
Are we talking about the same concept of responsiveness? In UI development this
term is used for guis that adapt to a wide variety of screen sizes and
resolutions by applying different layouts, resizing and replacing, rearranging
or showing/hiding components depending on size, pixel density, but also by
using different input methods, like touch gestures, etc. depending on the
device.. CSS has media queries to enable this. Please enlighten us what Swing
has to offer here that makes it „even better“.
-Toni
Von meinem iPad gesendet
Am 18.03.2018 um 00:38 schrieb Gili T. <[email protected]>:
I humbly disagree. Last time I played with Swing layouts I remember them
being able to do responsive UIs even better than HTML.
The only thing that web does better is more existing layouts out of the
box. That's just a matter of people not technology.
Gili
On Sat, Mar 17, 2018, 07:39 <[email protected]> wrote:
Fully agree, and Swing and JavaFX stopped development before the concept
of "responsive UIs" became popular. So they have nothing for that.
I agree that layout via css used to be painful and hard to understand
sometimes, but Flow and especially Grid Layout has completely solved this
for me.
--Toni
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Von: Neil C Smith <[email protected]>
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2018, 07:34 Dmitry Avtonomov, <[email protected]>
wrote:
All I'm saying is that with the last N years of unprecedented
attention the web technologies have leaped light years ahead of
everything else in terms of basic UI.
...
All I need is a good framework on top of swing that would help me out
with those things. In JS there's probably 100s.
You could probably manage all the validation and error display
requirements you mention with HTML5's built in form validation without
adding any JS at all.
As someone working heavily with both Swing and HTML/CSS I find the idea
that Swing's layouts are better quite amusing, or I would if I didn't have
to fight with them so often! ;-) Mig is about the only one I use from code,
Matisse is good but I find its output counterintuitive sometimes.
Best wishes,
Neil
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www.neilcsmith.net
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