On Mar 16, 2010, at 10:22 PM, Scott Gray wrote: > On 16/03/2010, at 10:15 PM, David E Jones wrote: > >> >> On Mar 16, 2010, at 10:08 PM, Scott Gray wrote: >> >>> On 16/03/2010, at 9:44 PM, David E Jones wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On Mar 16, 2010, at 7:18 PM, Scott Gray wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 16/03/2010, at 6:58 PM, David E Jones wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 16, 2010, at 6:49 PM, Scott Gray wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 16/03/2010, at 6:39 PM, David E Jones wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'll admit I empathize with what Sharan is expressing here. It's hard >>>>>>>> to do stuff, or know how to do stuff and what to do, when there are a >>>>>>>> bunch of people responding with implied policies or with vetoes for >>>>>>>> this and that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well let's document it so everyone knows what the community policy is. >>>>>>> Please feel free to comment on the guidelines I proposed elsewhere in >>>>>>> this thread. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You've quite clearly stepped away from taking an administrative >>>>>>> position within the community and it would be nice if we didn't spend >>>>>>> too much time criticizing people who are trying to help fill that void. >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh, is that what's happening? I guess I missed that... I didn't even >>>>>> realize there was an administrative void. Maybe it goes further than >>>>>> that... when I was the PMC Chair maybe a lot of stuff went on that >>>>>> needed more "administration" when I didn't think any interference was >>>>>> necessary. Or, maybe that has nothing to do with the PMC Chair role >>>>>> anyway... >>>>> >>>>> These front page issues are ones that I haven't seen the community have >>>>> to deal with before so I have no idea how you might have dealt with it >>>>> back when you were more involved. I wasn't referring to the PMC Chair >>>>> position as such, more so the general guidance that you used to provide >>>>> on all things OFBiz and the weight that such guidance carried. >>>>> >>>>> If you feel that some of the links posted recently are perfectly >>>>> acceptable then let's discuss that, otherwise I'm not really sure of the >>>>> point you're trying to get across. >>>> >>>> My point is that we need to really do something, or we need to do nothing. >>>> We're getting into areas of marketing and promotion for community members, >>>> and that's a tough topic in a community driven primarily be contracting >>>> service providers. There are a few hobbyists that contribute to the >>>> project, but not a whole lot. There are a few product companies that do >>>> independent marketing that contribute, but not a whole lot. AFAIK that is >>>> pretty different from most ASF projects. >>>> >>>> While we don't allow blatant marketing on the official web site (it is >>>> allowed in the wiki, and we even have specific places for it) >>> >>> You make this sound like a policy >> >> I'm just referring to the ASF policy as for certain things not allowed on >> project sites. > > Okay so there is a policy, that's great, let's use it.
At risk of repeating myself: "While we don't allow blatant marketing on the official web site (it is allowed in the wiki, and we even have specific places for it), but we have historically allowed linking to resources that are not part of OFBiz but that are about the project and add value for users and contributors." I guess I'll have to spell it out more. Explicit marketing is not allowed, but various people and companies get around that by creating documentation and other resources that might be of interest to users of OFBiz and then posting links to those on the home page under the news section or other places in order to draw traffic to their sites, ie for marketing purposes. Is that too harsh an accusation, or unclear enough that you need specific examples? BTW, to be clear, I'm not complaining about people doing this. Others at the ASF probably disagree, but I think it's an acceptable way to contribute and get recognition. I'm complaining about the hypocrisy and unwillingness to work with others and give people a chance. And yeah, I guess those are accusations as well. I guess I could now add another to the list: blinding defensiveness. I could go on all day... my mind was definitely corrupted by therapists when I was younger, and unfortunately I haven't forgotten all of that and in all of that I learned well the finer art of being an @$$hole. In any case, I'm sorry if there's anything in your personal life that is making you touchy on this. I know that was the case for me after being in a circumstance similar to one you might be in right now, and if that's the case I don't envy you that position one bit. -David
