"Do not include any links on the project website that might encourage non-developers to download and use nightly builds, snapshots, release candidates, or any other similar package."
Jacopo On Apr 8, 2012, at 10:12 AM, Hans Bakker wrote: > The page has a button "Download" to point a user (developer or not) to the > download of ofbiz system files. > > Trunk should be part of that. > > Regards, > Hans > > On 04/08/2012 03:06 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: >> By the way, an interesting resource is the "Release FAQ": >> >> http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html >> >> I am quoting here a relevant part: >> >> ================================= >> What Is A Release? >> Releases are, by definition, anything that is published beyond the group >> that owns it. In our case, that means any publication outside the group of >> people on the product dev list. If the general public is being instructed to >> download a package, then that package has been released. Each PMC must obey >> the ASF requirements on approving any release. How you label the package is >> a secondary issue, described below. >> >> During the process of developing software and preparing a release, various >> packages are made available to the developer community for testing purposes. >> Do not include any links on the project website that might encourage >> non-developers to download and use nightly builds, snapshots, release >> candidates, or any other similar package. The only people who are supposed >> to know about such packages are the people following the dev list (or >> searching its archives) and thus aware of the conditions placed on the >> package. If you find that the general public are downloading such test >> packages, then remove them. >> >> Under no circumstances are unapproved builds a substitute for releases. If >> this policy seems inconvenient, then release more often. Proper release >> management is a key aspect of Apache software development. >> ================================= >> >> Jacopo >> >> On Apr 7, 2012, at 7:37 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >> >>> Actually I don't care much. It was mostly to find a consens.... er... >>> compromise. So I let Hans handles that if he wants (no commits war >>> please)... >>> >>> For those who are relatively new to this ML, we should though explain that >>> recommnending to use trunk to users has been the >>> inclination of OFBiz original creators. At this time it was vital for the >>> project to get more contributions and I must say it's also >>> easier for committers to contribute directly (this is actually not a big >>> deal, a patch is an easy way most of the time). See for >>> instance http://markmail.org/message/ee2mzldkkzg6im5x, the link there is now >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/Apache+OFBiz+Getting+Started >>> (BTW this needs certainly an update, but actually >>> all the documentation needs update and pruning). >>> >>> Jacopo was the 1st to propose another way: >>> http://markmail.org/message/vh7jrgmwfmxrd4bh >>> >>> And to clarify my position: I'm supporting releases for a long time now (I >>> mean backporting bugs, sometimes at my expense ;o). >>> Fortunately it turns that it's easier and safer since the R10.04 release. I >>> believe that this new way of doing allows 2 pathes >>> (trunk or releases) and we need both! >>> >>> Hope this summarises well my POV and the situation >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> >>> From: "Jacopo Cappellato"<[email protected]> >>>> I am against this, especially if it comes as an order issued by Hans: he >>>> is not in the position of being aggressive or forcing us >>>> to do what it pleases him, he doesn't have the skills, the power, the >>>> merit to rule us (not to mention me); he did it in the past >>>> just because we let him do this. >>>> Now, if you and Hans feel that we should add a sentence about the trunk in >>>> the download page, please provide a valid motivation >>>> and a valid text, then start a vote: if the community will vote in favor >>>> of it I will be happy to accept and implement >>>> accordingly; otherwise I will not waste more of my time discussing this >>>> just to please Hans. >>>> >>>> Jacopo >>>> >>>> On Apr 7, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>> >>>>> From: "Jacopo Cappellato"<[email protected]> >>>>>> This is not consensus, it is a compromise. >>>>> Right >>>>> >>>>>> What is the purpose of mentioning that we have also a trunk (obvious) >>>>> To relax each other positions (is that even English? :o). >>>>> Meant for users for are not acquainted with open source but still >>>>> potential OFBiz users >>>>> >>>>>> and what is the text that you would like to add there? >>>>> <<Beside the releases you could also go the bleeding edge way >>>>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleeding_edge_technology] and check >>>>> out the trunk from OFBiz repository (Subversion)>> >>>>> Depending of the way we prefer to present it, could be also state of art >>>>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_the_art] because >>>>> trunk is really not that bleeding edge... >>>>> >>>>> Jacques >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Jacopo >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 7, 2012, at 11:06 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe, as a consensus, we can put a word about it and not a link? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: "Hans Bakker"<[email protected]> >>>>>>>> But Apache does not prohibit it? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> you want to be the best pupil in the Apache school? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I still think this is wrong not to mention it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hans >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 04/07/2012 11:38 AM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: >>>>>>>>> Thank you Hans, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the download page is intended to end users and we can't include there >>>>>>>>> links to download code that has not been officially >>>>>>>>> approved; this was an issue we had in the past and the ASF asked us >>>>>>>>> to fix the page in the past. >>>>>>>>> For the trunk all the information is here: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/OFBADMIN/ofbiz-source-repository-and-access.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (but that page will have to be converted to html and become "more >>>>>>>>> official"). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jacopo >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 7, 2012, at 6:33 AM, Hans Bakker wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This looks pretty good Jacopo, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> congratulations. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> However no mention of the latest trunk? That should be at least >>>>>>>>>> mentioned. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> Hans >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 04/07/2012 11:27 AM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> I have now updated the OFBiz download page with a new section >>>>>>>>>>> containing the tentative release schedule for each release: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Congratulations, we have now a plan (simple but effective and >>>>>>>>>>> achievable) and at least users now have a clear vision of the >>>>>>>>>>> lifespan of the release branch they are using and can plan in >>>>>>>>>>> advance the migration of their custom instance. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Jacopo >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 27, 2012, at 12:37 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Jacopo Cappellato"<[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 26, 2012, at 8:04 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For me also 6 months seems long enough for the 1st official >>>>>>>>>>>>>> release. I'm just afraid: will we have not a lot of work to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> release so often (relases themself, annunciations, site update >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and especially demos updates) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway it seems we need to do it, maybe at the expense of other >>>>>>>>>>>>>> areas we are working on (Jiras, users support, etc.) >>>>>>>>>>>>> It will take time for sure but working on releases should be the >>>>>>>>>>>>> main goal of a community within the ASF: a release is >>>>>>>>>>>>> the only trusted way to publish the work we do: if we fix a bug >>>>>>>>>>>>> but we do not issue a release the users will not get real >>>>>>>>>>>>> benefit. >>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds logical and good to me. It's time to go ahead regarding our >>>>>>>>>>>> way of doing releases. Some time ago, due to our change >>>>>>>>>>>> of way (less using trunk), I was afraid that committers activity >>>>>>>>>>>> would be lower, but it seems to be steady up... so far... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacopo >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacques >>>> >
