On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote: > > On Jun 9, 2013, at 9:40 AM, Ian Lynch wrote: > >> My main thought was market confidence. If LO can say they have 26 >> developers working on code it would be interesting to have a >> comparison on a similar "like for like" basis. > > Before we can make a like for like comparison we need to understand the TDF > process: > > From the page you cite: >> Certified Developers are present TDF members, were nominated by the >> Certification Committee, and subsequently peer-reviewed by the Engineering >> Steering Committee. > > But there is also a disclaimer (with a grammatical error of translation): >> Notes on the aforementioned entries: our list of certified developers is for >> your information, alphabetically sorted, and not necessarily complete nor >> up-to-date. Specifically does TDF not recommend nor endorse any of the >> listed companies. Interested parties are asked to individually assess if the >> listed companies are suitable for their respective requirements. If you >> notice mistakes or inaccuracies, please inform us >> ati...@documentfoundation.org. > > Unless we can replicate this process I am afraid that any "like for like" > comparison may be fodder for press FUD. >
For the same credentials (and 100 pounds) one can become a Knight of the Sovereign Military Order of Sealand: http://www.sealandgov.org/title-pack/knight > We would need to use a publicly measurable approach like "more than X commits > to the code base". It is likely that X would need to be supported by > examining the commit logs of LO and comparing with their list finding the > person with the least commits who is on their list. > > If someone can provide this comparison then I would support a blog post. This > could also point to our full committer count to show that the project values > all contributions. > > We can also emphasize that at the ASF it is individuals and not companies > that are contributing. > The other part is this: what the market really needs is an easy way for any competent developer to learn AOO programming, whether macros, extensions or core, and be productive. This is a need for good, up-to-date documentation, sample apps, etc. When that is in place then we might be lucky enough to have a large number of developers who are not also committers. But until we've more fully enabled this larger developer ecosystem, then any certification program would merely be self-dealing, as it appears to be with LibreOffice. And that doesn't really accomplish anything. It is just heaping titles on the same core rather than extending the reach. Regards, -Rob > Regards, > Dave > >> >> On 9 June 2013 17:24, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote: >>> >>> On Jun 9, 2013, at 7:36 AM, janI wrote: >>> >>>> On 9 June 2013 16:04, Ian Lynch <ianrly...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I noticed that LibreO has 26 Certified Developers. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.documentfoundation.org/certification/developers/ >>>>> >>>>> While we have the concept of a committer here at AOO is there >>>>> something specific for active code developers? Would it be worth >>>>> considering such a thing? >>>>> >>> >>> The LO page is more about the people who are "certified" coders. This is a >>> functional equivalent to an svn auth list on the codebase - those AOO >>> committers who work on the codebase as opposed to QA, Infra, Marketing and >>> most importantly Translation. >>> >>> Apache is a flat organization. We don't make this distinction. Do we want >>> to start playing a marketing game of numbers, or do we want to put our >>> energy into writing the best code? [4] >>> >>>> >>>> I think the committer status, covers much of the "certification", if we do >>>> such a thing for developers, we should also do it for >>>> QA, documenters etc. >>> >>> Exactly. If anything we should highlight our differences. We are an >>> organization where active contribution and engagement of all kinds is >>> important. It is community over code. [1] >>> . >>>> I do like the lo page, as such, because it clearly shows who (and from >>>> where) are paid, and who are volunteers. Such a list would be nice to have >>>> for newcommers, especially if it included a line or two about the interest >>>> of each. >>> >>> We have built similar information. Committers just need to maintain it. >>> >>> It is currently in the CWiki here [2] >>> >>> Originally it was here [3] >>> >>> We could add more here, or we could describe that the project is a >>> community of volunteers, etc. We could remind committers to update their >>> details on the wiki or request help with doing so. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Dave >>> >>> [1] http://communityovercode.com/ >>> [2] >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Directory+of+Volunteers >>> [3] http://openoffice.apache.org/people.html >>> >>> [4] I don't want to restart this discussion, but this is one reason why I >>> am against having a different svn auth list for the codebase unless there >>> is a demonstrated problem. This may be done in private. If I have >>> inexplicably changed my mind later then it will be because a real security >>> threat to the AOO codebase is manifest. >>> >>>> >>>> rgds >>>> jan I. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Ian >>>>> >>>>> Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications >>>>> >>>>> Headline points in the 2014 and 2015 school league tables >>>>> >>>>> www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 >>>>> >>>>> The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, >>>>> Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. 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