On 6/9/13, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote: >> >> On Jun 9, 2013, at 9:40 AM, Ian Lynch wrote: >> >>> My main thought was market confidence. If LO can say they have 26 >>> developers working on code it would be interesting to have a >>> comparison on a similar "like for like" basis. >> >> Before we can make a like for like comparison we need to understand the >> TDF process: >> >> From the page you cite: >>> Certified Developers are present TDF members, were nominated by the >>> Certification Committee, and subsequently peer-reviewed by the >>> Engineering Steering Committee. >> >> But there is also a disclaimer (with a grammatical error of translation): >>> Notes on the aforementioned entries: our list of certified developers is >>> for your information, alphabetically sorted, and not necessarily complete >>> nor up-to-date. Specifically does TDF not recommend nor endorse any of >>> the listed companies. Interested parties are asked to individually assess >>> if the listed companies are suitable for their respective requirements. >>> If you notice mistakes or inaccuracies, please inform us >>> ati...@documentfoundation.org. >> >> Unless we can replicate this process I am afraid that any "like for like" >> comparison may be fodder for press FUD. >> > > For the same credentials (and 100 pounds) one can become a Knight of > the Sovereign Military Order of Sealand: > > http://www.sealandgov.org/title-pack/knight > >> We would need to use a publicly measurable approach like "more than X >> commits to the code base". It is likely that X would need to be supported >> by examining the commit logs of LO and comparing with their list finding >> the person with the least commits who is on their list. >> >> If someone can provide this comparison then I would support a blog post. >> This could also point to our full committer count to show that the project >> values all contributions. >> >> We can also emphasize that at the ASF it is individuals and not companies >> that are contributing. >> > > The other part is this: what the market really needs is an easy way > for any competent developer to learn AOO programming, whether macros, > extensions or core, and be productive. This is a need for good, > up-to-date documentation, sample apps, etc. When that is in place > then we might be lucky enough to have a large number of developers who > are not also committers. But until we've more fully enabled this > larger developer ecosystem, then any certification program would > merely be self-dealing, as it appears to be with LibreOffice. And > that doesn't really accomplish anything. It is just heaping titles on > the same core rather than extending the reach. >
A group of associates have been flirting around with the idea of an OpenDocument Specialist. A course that will involved the ins, and out of OpenDocument, AOO, and ODFToolkits as well as other odf manipualtion tools outside of the projects. I think is on a similar aim to create developers very familiar with the tools, the specification and the manipulation of such as standard. Although we are not that focused on certification (usually just a school diploma validating the credits). I think the similar task to develop a syllabus and objectives is something that could be useful for people. > Regards, > > -Rob > > >> Regards, >> Dave >> >>> >>> On 9 June 2013 17:24, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Jun 9, 2013, at 7:36 AM, janI wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 9 June 2013 16:04, Ian Lynch <ianrly...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I noticed that LibreO has 26 Certified Developers. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.documentfoundation.org/certification/developers/ >>>>>> >>>>>> While we have the concept of a committer here at AOO is there >>>>>> something specific for active code developers? Would it be worth >>>>>> considering such a thing? >>>>>> >>>> >>>> The LO page is more about the people who are "certified" coders. This is >>>> a functional equivalent to an svn auth list on the codebase - those AOO >>>> committers who work on the codebase as opposed to QA, Infra, Marketing >>>> and most importantly Translation. >>>> >>>> Apache is a flat organization. We don't make this distinction. Do we >>>> want to start playing a marketing game of numbers, or do we want to put >>>> our energy into writing the best code? [4] >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I think the committer status, covers much of the "certification", if we >>>>> do >>>>> such a thing for developers, we should also do it for >>>>> QA, documenters etc. >>>> >>>> Exactly. If anything we should highlight our differences. We are an >>>> organization where active contribution and engagement of all kinds is >>>> important. It is community over code. [1] >>>> . >>>>> I do like the lo page, as such, because it clearly shows who (and from >>>>> where) are paid, and who are volunteers. Such a list would be nice to >>>>> have >>>>> for newcommers, especially if it included a line or two about the >>>>> interest >>>>> of each. >>>> >>>> We have built similar information. Committers just need to maintain it. >>>> >>>> It is currently in the CWiki here [2] >>>> >>>> Originally it was here [3] >>>> >>>> We could add more here, or we could describe that the project is a >>>> community of volunteers, etc. We could remind committers to update their >>>> details on the wiki or request help with doing so. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> [1] http://communityovercode.com/ >>>> [2] >>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Directory+of+Volunteers >>>> [3] http://openoffice.apache.org/people.html >>>> >>>> [4] I don't want to restart this discussion, but this is one reason why >>>> I am against having a different svn auth list for the codebase unless >>>> there is a demonstrated problem. This may be done in private. If I have >>>> inexplicably changed my mind later then it will be because a real >>>> security threat to the AOO codebase is manifest. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> rgds >>>>> jan I. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Ian >>>>>> >>>>>> Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications >>>>>> >>>>>> Headline points in the 2014 and 2015 school league tables >>>>>> >>>>>> www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 >>>>>> >>>>>> The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, >>>>>> Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. 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