On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Ian Lynch <ianrly...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 9 June 2013 20:35, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: > >> On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> > wrote: > >>> > >>> On Jun 9, 2013, at 9:40 AM, Ian Lynch wrote: > >>> > >>>> My main thought was market confidence. If LO can say they have 26 > >>>> developers working on code it would be interesting to have a > >>>> comparison on a similar "like for like" basis. > >>> > >>> Before we can make a like for like comparison we need to understand > the TDF process: > >>> > >>> From the page you cite: > >>>> Certified Developers are present TDF members, were nominated by the > Certification Committee, and subsequently peer-reviewed by the Engineering > Steering Committee. > >>> > >>> But there is also a disclaimer (with a grammatical error of > translation): > >>>> Notes on the aforementioned entries: our list of certified developers > is for your information, alphabetically sorted, and not necessarily > complete nor up-to-date. Specifically does TDF not recommend nor endorse > any of the listed companies. Interested parties are asked to individually > assess if the listed companies are suitable for their respective > requirements. If you notice mistakes or inaccuracies, please inform us > ati...@documentfoundation.org. > >>> > >>> Unless we can replicate this process I am afraid that any "like for > like" comparison may be fodder for press FUD. > >>> > >> > >> For the same credentials (and 100 pounds) one can become a Knight of > >> the Sovereign Military Order of Sealand: > >> > >> http://www.sealandgov.org/title-pack/knight > >> > >>> We would need to use a publicly measurable approach like "more than X > commits to the code base". It is likely that X would need to be supported > by examining the commit logs of LO and comparing with their list finding > the person with the least commits who is on their list. > >>> > >>> If someone can provide this comparison then I would support a blog > post. This could also point to our full committer count to show that the > project values all contributions. > >>> > >>> We can also emphasize that at the ASF it is individuals and not > companies that are contributing. > >>> > >> > >> The other part is this: what the market really needs is an easy way > >> for any competent developer to learn AOO programming, whether macros, > >> extensions or core, and be productive. This is a need for good, > >> up-to-date documentation, sample apps, etc. When that is in place > >> then we might be lucky enough to have a large number of developers who > >> are not also committers. But until we've more fully enabled this > >> larger developer ecosystem, then any certification program would > >> merely be self-dealing, as it appears to be with LibreOffice. And > >> that doesn't really accomplish anything. It is just heaping titles on > >> the same core rather than extending the reach. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> -Rob > > > > It wasn't so much the certification part that seems important. More > > that there are 26 people who are judged to be capable of (and probably > > willing) to make a significant contribution to LO code. How many AOO > > people can similarly be identified? Its just a simple thing if its > > easy to present. I'm not suggesting anyone spend a lot of time on it. > > > > I assume all LibreOffice developers are "capable" of contributing to > OpenOffice, at least at the technical level. Vice versa as well, of > course. > > So if I were looking at a meaningful certification program and not > just a project-specific marketing campaign, I'd probable look for a > way to target the larger market, i.e., the combined developer base. > Otherwise it is like offering a certification for Windows 7 only, or > the apocryphal doctor who specializes in the left hand. I'd define > the competency as "Open source productivity" or "the open source > office", and consider both desktop software as well as complimentary > server software like content management, and the skills needed to get > this all working together. > > -Rob > > I don't see how this could be other than a project specific marketing campaign.
Basically because you either certified the process or certify the product specific skills. I see more suitable to LibreOffice processes to be transferable to Gnome since both communities share the same admins and processes, than to Apache-way process. > > > -- > > Ian > > > > Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications > > > > Headline points in the 2014 and 2015 school league tables > > > > www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 > > > > The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, > > Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and > > Wales. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://es.openoffice.org
