On 7 February 2014 00:45, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 6:21 PM, jan i <j...@apache.org> wrote:
> > On 6 February 2014 23:42, Andrea Pescetti <pesce...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> jan i wrote:
> >>
> >>> I warned about exactly that, but  I was asked (see JIRAs) to remove the
> >>> cats (captcha). If you read the JIRA (which was watched be several in
> >>> here)
> >>> you will see my warning.
> >>>
> >>
> >> The idea was to replace the CAPTCHA with something better, otherwise we
> >> can (should) keep the current CAPTCHA and discuss a better solution in
> the
> >> meantime.
> >>
> >> The cats cause incompatibilities and other issues, but if they are much
> >> more effective than the replacement let's go back to the cats as soon as
> >> possible and in the "see what's best to replace them (but something MORE
> >> effective, not LESS effective!).
> >>
> >
> > May I politely correct you, the idea was NOT to replace the cats. The
> jira
> > was implemented by the word !
> >
> > The exact wording is:
> >
> > "Wiki6: Cats/Dogs CAPTCHA for new user registration is quite broken. It
> > doesn't work in several browser configurations, it includes HTTP instead
> of
> > HTTPS https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123695 ->
> Recommended
> > solution: drop it entirely.  "
> >
> > That statement is pretty clear, how it can be read as moving to something
> > more effective slips my mind.
> >
> > later the jira contains:
> >
> > "accessibility suggestion from Tyler (haven't tested MediaWiki
> > compatibility): there is a website which provides text-based CAPTCHA's in
> > the form of logic questions, math problems, etc. It provides an XML API.
> > See http://www.textcaptcha.com/ "
> >
> > Apart from the facts, thats its a suggestion and not a decision (like
> that
> > above),  we do not use extensions that are not supported by mediawiki
> > (meaning downloadable from mediawiki.com and verified for our release).
> As
> > a sidenote, that captcha is pretty much the same as the standard which
> are
> > active right now. There are quite a lot of captcha┬┤s out there, just
> > looking at mediawiki.com extensions gives a lot of choises.
> >
> > At this point in time we have several choices:
> > 1) leave the config as it is
> > 2) reinstall cats
> > 3) choose another captcha (in this case we need to decide which one).
> >
> > I am not the one to overrule a community decision (Wiki6), but I will
> > happely implement another community decision.
> >
>
> I hope you can simply restore cats if that can be done without too
> much trouble.  Then we can discuss further and come to a community
> decision on what else to do, if anything.  I hope you agree that there
> is zero benefit to accumulating additional spam while we discuss.
>

Wiki have been upgraded, and respecting the jira I did not move the cat
extension.


> Fix the immediate problem, then we can discuss longer term.  This one
> area that Apache Infra knows how to do well.  They know when it is
> important to act rather than discuss.  I suggest that this is one of
> those times.
>

I happen to agree with you, and it has actually not been possible to create
new accounts for a while now.

The configuration is changed so that only sysops can create new accounts.

Now to the other part....we have discussed these issues for quite a long
time, so it was a fair assumption to accept the jira as the community wish.


>
> Thanks!
>
> -Rob
>
> > rgds
> > jan I.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Regards,
> >>   Andrea.
> >>
> >>
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