Hi -

The JIRA is quoted but links or the JIRA ID would be helpful along with a link 
to the ML thread where the decision was made.

It is hard to review this incident without these helpful pointers.

Thanks,
Dave

On Feb 6, 2014, at 4:22 PM, jan i wrote:

> On 7 February 2014 00:45, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 6:21 PM, jan i <j...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> On 6 February 2014 23:42, Andrea Pescetti <pesce...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> jan i wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I warned about exactly that, but  I was asked (see JIRAs) to remove the
>>>>> cats (captcha). If you read the JIRA (which was watched be several in
>>>>> here)
>>>>> you will see my warning.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The idea was to replace the CAPTCHA with something better, otherwise we
>>>> can (should) keep the current CAPTCHA and discuss a better solution in
>> the
>>>> meantime.
>>>> 
>>>> The cats cause incompatibilities and other issues, but if they are much
>>>> more effective than the replacement let's go back to the cats as soon as
>>>> possible and in the "see what's best to replace them (but something MORE
>>>> effective, not LESS effective!).
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> May I politely correct you, the idea was NOT to replace the cats. The
>> jira
>>> was implemented by the word !
>>> 
>>> The exact wording is:
>>> 
>>> "Wiki6: Cats/Dogs CAPTCHA for new user registration is quite broken. It
>>> doesn't work in several browser configurations, it includes HTTP instead
>> of
>>> HTTPS https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123695 ->
>> Recommended
>>> solution: drop it entirely.  "
>>> 
>>> That statement is pretty clear, how it can be read as moving to something
>>> more effective slips my mind.
>>> 
>>> later the jira contains:
>>> 
>>> "accessibility suggestion from Tyler (haven't tested MediaWiki
>>> compatibility): there is a website which provides text-based CAPTCHA's in
>>> the form of logic questions, math problems, etc. It provides an XML API.
>>> See http://www.textcaptcha.com/ "
>>> 
>>> Apart from the facts, thats its a suggestion and not a decision (like
>> that
>>> above),  we do not use extensions that are not supported by mediawiki
>>> (meaning downloadable from mediawiki.com and verified for our release).
>> As
>>> a sidenote, that captcha is pretty much the same as the standard which
>> are
>>> active right now. There are quite a lot of captcha┬┤s out there, just
>>> looking at mediawiki.com extensions gives a lot of choises.
>>> 
>>> At this point in time we have several choices:
>>> 1) leave the config as it is
>>> 2) reinstall cats
>>> 3) choose another captcha (in this case we need to decide which one).
>>> 
>>> I am not the one to overrule a community decision (Wiki6), but I will
>>> happely implement another community decision.
>>> 
>> 
>> I hope you can simply restore cats if that can be done without too
>> much trouble.  Then we can discuss further and come to a community
>> decision on what else to do, if anything.  I hope you agree that there
>> is zero benefit to accumulating additional spam while we discuss.
>> 
> 
> Wiki have been upgraded, and respecting the jira I did not move the cat
> extension.
> 
> 
>> Fix the immediate problem, then we can discuss longer term.  This one
>> area that Apache Infra knows how to do well.  They know when it is
>> important to act rather than discuss.  I suggest that this is one of
>> those times.
>> 
> 
> I happen to agree with you, and it has actually not been possible to create
> new accounts for a while now.
> 
> The configuration is changed so that only sysops can create new accounts.
> 
> Now to the other part....we have discussed these issues for quite a long
> time, so it was a fair assumption to accept the jira as the community wish.
> 
> 
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> -Rob
>> 
>>> rgds
>>> jan I.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>>  Andrea.
>>>> 
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