You would have urls in on the page that when you clicked them executed the
search. They can click a link right? One for google, one for duckduckgo,
one for xxxxx




On January 27, 2020 at 08:50:08, Christofer Dutz (christofer.d...@c-ware.de)
wrote:

Aaaaahh ...

ok ...

Now I got you.

Well I would really prefer the "Getting help" part Like on the Druid page,
without the listing of people and their companies, if it was in line with
the ASF bylaws.

The reasoning is that we are also targeting people who are completely new
to Open-Source and the idea that
You have to "work for the information". You might laugh, but having a
"please type this into google" sort of thing would probably annoy them more
than not having this at all.

Chris


´╗┐Am 27.01.20, 13:25 schrieb "Niclas Hedhman" <nic...@hedhman.org>:

1. On a page /commercial-support you explain the general principle that the
ASF is a vendor neutral place and favors are frowned upon.

2. On that page, recommend the user to instead use their favorite search
engine to look up (e.g) "plc4x_commercial_support" to find companies that
provide such.

3. People here would know, and can imply, that their own landing pages for
commercial support should contain that word for customers to find them.


HTH
Niclas



On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 6:21 PM Christofer Dutz <christofer.d...@c-ware.de>
wrote:

> Hi Niclas,
>
> have to admit that I didn't quite understand your suggestion.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> Am 27.01.20, 10:01 schrieb "Niclas Hedhman" <nic...@hedhman.org>:
>
> My two cents; you could recommend that companies that has commercial
> support to use a unique name on their offering/landing page that gets
> picked up by search engines and let the general public know what that
> word
> is...
>
> When I personally am looking for this for project Foo, then "foo -site:
> apache.org" is the starting point. And that could be smoother.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 16:28 Julian Feinauer <
> j.feina...@pragmaticminds.de>
> wrote:
>
> > Hes, but as I understand it you are already doing that, so this
> should
> > yield result soon : )
> >
> > Am 27.01.20, 09:24 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" <
> christofer.d...@c-ware.de>:
> >
> > Yeah ...
> >
> > not sure this is not too much ... we should in general have this
> > checked if such a page would be in line with the ASF bylaws.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > Am 27.01.20, 08:21 schrieb "Julian Feinauer" <
> > j.feina...@pragmaticminds.de>:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I think we should list the companies with a short outline
> like,
> > e.g. postgres does it here:
> > https://www.postgresql.org/support/professional_support/europe/
> >
> > For codecentric one could write (I see no problem):
> > PLC4X was initially started as an internal project at
> codecentric
> > and open soure to the ASF. Christofer Dutz, the initiatior of PLC4X
> helps
> > in his daytime job clients with the implementation of Drivers and
> blab la
> > blab la
> >
> > And for us we could / would write something similar:
> > The beautiful, wise, intelligent and charismatic Julian and
> his
> > blalbalblablalbal
> >
> > I think you get the point? : )
> >
> > Julian
> >
> > Am 27.01.20, 08:17 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" <
> > christofer.d...@c-ware.de>:
> >
> > Hi Julian,
> >
> > I think having links to commercial support offerings is a
> > pretty important thing for us to have.
> > If we have to allow anyone be listed there (even if they
> don't
> > contribute to the project) well that will be "the toad we have to
> swallow"
> > (Don't know how to translate this German saying to English).
> >
> > Right now I see the industries worries of not being able
> to
> > get commercial support as being one of the most problematic things
> ... that
> > was why I put the "commercial support" thing on our landing page.
> >
> > Would it be possible to mark companies who employ
> committers
> > of the project (but not which ones) with a "*" and an explanation?
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
> > Am 27.01.20, 08:10 schrieb "Julian Feinauer" <
> > j.feina...@pragmaticminds.de>:
> >
> > Hey,
> >
> > @Christofer Dutz you can also a general discuss about
> > whether or not we should do that.
> > I am mostly concerned with clear rules, if we do it.
> > But, in the end, its not granted, lets discuss it
> and if
> > we cant get an agreement decide it.
> >
> > Julian
> >
> > Am 27.01.20, 06:55 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" <
> > christofer.d...@c-ware.de>:
> >
> > Hi Justin,
> >
> > So in general it would be OK to have a list of
> links
> > to companies plc4x support pages?
> >
> > I don't care about seeing the ties between
> persons and
> > companies.
> >
> > Just not happy to have any company listed.
> >
> > Chris
> > ________________________________
> > Von: Justin Mclean <jus...@classsoftware.com>
> > Gesendet: Montag, 27. Januar 2020 01:45
> > An: dev@plc4x.apache.org <dev@plc4x.apache.org>
> > Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Guideline for
> "professional
> > support" Mentioning on Homepage
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > > as Lukas just opened up a discussion about
> > mentioning commercial support on the (new) PLC4X Homepage.
> > > One Example where this is done is Apache Druid
> (
> > https://druid.apache.org/community/ see Getting Help).
> >
> > I dislike the Druid example as it shows who the
> > committers are working for, that should not matter. Individuals
> contribute
> > to Apache projects not companies. Having links to those companies
> (next to
> > the committer name) when they may or may not be ASF sponsors is even
> worse.
> >
> > Re commercial supped listing them is OK as long
> as all
> > that ask are listed and it not being seen as promoting or suggesting
> one
> > over another. It must be vendor neutral.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

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