+1 to move to sandbox. Tiny feature should not hold us hostage

Jan

> 12. okt. 2026 kl. 23:12 skrev Chris Hostetter <[email protected]>:
> 
> 
> The bugs found with solr/modules/cuvs in the Solr 10.1.0 RCs -- due to the 
> module depending on a thrid-party dependency that is tightly couple with 
> the Lucene version, but released by a completely different organization -- 
> is really just a new variation on the fundemental the concerns I raise 
> when cuvs was first added to Solr...
> 
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-17892
> 
> I get that cuvs is a valuable feature to have, for some people, on some 
> hardware, but I really don't think it makes sense for it to be part of the 
> official Solr release -- not when it's depenencies are so tightly 
> intertwined (but loosly coupled) to the specific Lucene version at a very 
> low level.
> 
> As Rahul indicates -- we are now facing the exact choice I warmed about a 
> year ago...
> 
>>> In the future we (Solr) may get stuck between a rock and a hard place
>>> when attempting a Lucene upgrades ...  we will be forced to choose:
>>> 
>>> - Let the Lucene upgrade be blocked indefinitely until a 
>>>  third-party project ( cuvs-lucene ) gets around to a 
>>>  compatible release.
>>> - Stop supporting modules/cuvs in what may be a MINOR Solr 
>>>  release, potentially screwing our users who have built indexes 
>>>  using that module
> 
> 
> I really think we need to move cuvs to either the solr-sandbox, or some 
> new purpose specific 'solr-cuvs' git repo, where it can be released on 
> it's own timeframe, dependent on when/how/if the upstream third-party 
> project (cuvs-lucene) has compatible releases for the Lucene version we 
> are using.
> 
> 
> People who use Solr and do *not* use modules/cuvs should not have to 
> suffer delays in getting iportant bug fixes in Solr code -- or getting a 
> Solr release with a Lucene version that's already outdated -- just because 
> we don't want to release a Solr version with a "broken" modules/cuvs.
> 
> 
> -Hoss
> http://www.lucidworks.com/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 11 Oct 2026, Rahul Goswami wrote:
> 
> : Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2026 17:08:02 -0400
> : From: Rahul Goswami <[email protected]>
> : Reply-To: [email protected]
> : To: [email protected]
> : Subject: Re: [VOTE] Release Solr 10.1.0 RC2
> : 
> : Tried the RC. The cuvs module seems to be broken. Indexing fails on a GPU
> : enabled machine due to API incompatibility between cuvs-lucene and Lucene
> : 10.4.
> : Currently no available compatible cuvs-lucene version exists for Lucene
> : 10.4 and is expected to be available by December this year.
> : 
> : If there is agreement, I could spend the effort on rolling Solr back to
> : Lucene 10.3.2 where I have validated cuvs to work (which was also the
> : Lucene version we were on prior to 10.4).
> : 
> : Thoughts?
> : 
> : 2026-10-10 20:57:58.804 WARN  (qtp166454155-71) [] o.e.j.e.s.ServletChannel
> : /solr/vectors/update
> : *java.lang.NoSuchMethodError: 'int[]
> : 
> org.apache.lucene.util.hnsw.HnswGraph$NodesIterator.getSortedNodes(org.apache.lucene.util.hnsw.HnswGraph$NodesIterator)'*
> : at
> : 
> com.nvidia.cuvs.lucene.Lucene99AcceleratedHNSWVectorsWriter.writeGraph(Lucene99AcceleratedHNSWVectorsWriter.java:444)
> : at
> : 
> com.nvidia.cuvs.lucene.Lucene99AcceleratedHNSWVectorsWriter.writeFieldInternal(Lucene99AcceleratedHNSWVectorsWriter.java:230)
> : at
> : 
> com.nvidia.cuvs.lucene.Lucene99AcceleratedHNSWVectorsWriter.writeField(Lucene99AcceleratedHNSWVectorsWriter.java:502)
> : at
> : 
> com.nvidia.cuvs.lucene.Lucene99AcceleratedHNSWVectorsWriter.flush(Lucene99AcceleratedHNSWVectorsWriter.java:494)
> : at
> : 
> org.apache.lucene.codecs.perfield.PerFieldKnnVectorsFormat$FieldsWriter.flush(PerFieldKnnVectorsFormat.java:120)
> : at
> : 
> org.apache.lucene.index.VectorValuesConsumer.flush(VectorValuesConsumer.java:76)
> : at org.apache.lucene.index.IndexingChain.flush(IndexingChain.java:305)
> : at
> : 
> org.apache.lucene.index.DocumentsWriterPerThread.flush(DocumentsWriterPerThread.java:456)
> : at org.apache.lucene.index.DocumentsWriter.doFlush(DocumentsWriter.java:502)
> : at
> : org.apache.lucene.index.DocumentsWriter.maybeFlush(DocumentsWriter.java:456)
> : at
> : 
> org.apache.lucene.index.DocumentsWriter.flushAllThreads(DocumentsWriter.java:649)
> : at
> : 
> org.apache.lucene.index.IndexWriter.prepareCommitInternal(IndexWriter.java:3712)
> : at org.apache.lucene.index.IndexWriter.commitInternal(IndexWriter.java:4160)
> : at org.apache.lucene.index.IndexWriter.commit(IndexWriter.java:4122)
> : at
> : 
> org.apache.solr.update.DirectUpdateHandler2.commit(DirectUpdateHandler2.java:872)
> : at
> : 
> org.apache.solr.update.processor.RunUpdateProcessorFactory$RunUpdateProcessor.processCommit(RunUpdateProcessorFactory.java:100)
> : at
> : 
> org.apache.solr.update.processor.UpdateRequestProcessor.processCommit(UpdateRequestProcessor.java:66)
> : at
> : 
> org.apache.solr.update.processor.DistributedUpdateProcessor.doLocalCommit(DistributedUpdateProcessor
> : 
> : - Rahul
> : 
> : On Sat, Oct 10, 2026 at 5:57 PM Jan Høydahl <[email protected]> wrote:
> : 
> : > The changelog lists "Dependency Upgrades (61 changes)"
> : > I thought we were to hand edit and de-duplicate that list.
> : >
> : > PS: Jetty 12.1.14 hits branch_10x soon, hope it can make it if there's a
> : > respin.
> : >
> : > Jan
> : >
> : > > 10. okt. 2026 kl. 15:48 skrev Andrzej Białecki <[email protected]>:
> : > >
> : > > Please vote for release candidate 2 for Solr 10.1.0
> : > >
> : > > The artifacts can be downloaded from:
> : > >
> : > 
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/solr/solr-10.1.0-RC2-rev-dfda5e1d4821958e60d13aa5ce3a0d4992319ed1
> : > >
> : > > You can run the smoke tester directly with this command:
> : > >
> : > > python3 -u dev-tools/scripts/smokeTestRelease.py \
> : > >
> : > 
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/solr/solr-10.1.0-RC2-rev-dfda5e1d4821958e60d13aa5ce3a0d4992319ed1
> : > >
> : > > You can build a release-candidate of the official docker images (full &
> : > slim) using the following command:
> : > >
> : > > SOLR_DOWNLOAD_SERVER=
> : > 
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/solr/solr-10.1.0-RC2-rev-dfda5e1d4821958e60d13aa5ce3a0d4992319ed1/solr
> : > && \
> : > >  docker build
> : > $SOLR_DOWNLOAD_SERVER/10.1.0/docker/Dockerfile.official-full \
> : > >    --build-arg SOLR_DOWNLOAD_SERVER=$SOLR_DOWNLOAD_SERVER \
> : > >    -t solr-rc:10.1.0-2 && \
> : > >  docker build
> : > $SOLR_DOWNLOAD_SERVER/10.1.0/docker/Dockerfile.official-slim \
> : > >    --build-arg SOLR_DOWNLOAD_SERVER=$SOLR_DOWNLOAD_SERVER \
> : > >    -t solr-rc:10.1.0-2-slim
> : > >
> : > > The vote will be open for 72 hours (not including the Sunday and
> : > Columbus Day), i.e. until 2026-10-15 15:00 UTC.
> : > >
> : > > [ ] +1  approve
> : > > [ ] +0  no opinion
> : > > [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
> : > >
> : > > Here is my +1
> : > > ----
> : > >
> : > > Cheers,
> : > > Andrzej
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