I don’t feel comfortable with waiting another week and then including a rushed 
patch release.

I think it’s much better for everyone involved to just accept the state of 
things as they are - BUT document it well AND provide a clear procedure on what 
bits to replace once an official release becomes available.

Cheers,
Andrzej

> On 14 Oct 2026, at 02:22, Rahul Goswami <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Update: After initial reconsideration, the maintainers are willing to
> provide a quicker turnaround with a patch on top of cuvs-lucene 26.10
> (latest released) compatible with Lucene 10.4. It won’t be a formal release
> but they can make it available by mid next week.
> Is this an option we are willing to consider for 10.1 ?
> 
> The alternative of course is to have a note in the upgrade docs for now and
> patch this when the official 26.12 becomes available later this year.
> 
> - Rahul
> 
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2026 at 1:38 PM Rahul Goswami <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>>> "They would be able to upgrade to Solr-10.1 just
>>> as soon as a Solr-10.1 compatable version of cuvs was available in that
>>> new/different repo"
>> How would they know? Are there releases for sandbox modules? Also, if I
>> understand correctly that would require users to build the jars themselves,
>> correct?
>> 
>> Also as expressed on the RC2 thread, we don't have to delay the release -
>> I'll add a note (to
>> solr/solr-ref-guide/modules/upgrade-notes/pages/major-changes-in-solr-10.adoc
>>  ?)
>> about the breakage, and availability of a subsequent fix in the future. I
>> am told we are going to have a 10.1 RC3 anyway to accommodate other fixes
>> and possibly the Jetty upgrade.
>> 
>> Reason I am not entirely sold on the sandbox idea is we are talking about
>> abruptly telling production users to monitor the sandbox based on a one
>> time occurence despite a known timeline for a fix...at a time when other
>> popular Lucene based search engines today ship with GPU acceleration
>> capabilities for vector search. Probably if this becomes a repeating
>> concern we revisit this option then?
>> 
>> @Eric Pugh <[email protected]> That's a good question. I
>> did enquire about the possibility of expediting the fix for Lucene 10.4,
>> however it seems it entails more work than could be accommodated in a short
>> window of a week or two. But they are looking to release cuvs-lucene 26.12
>> in December which will have support through Lucene 10.5 (atleast). The
>> planned cadence I have been made aware of is a cuvs-lucene release every
>> two months starting December compatible with the latest Lucene version
>> released as of the start of the release cycle of cuvs-lucene.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Rahul
>> 
>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2026 at 11:53 AM Eric Pugh <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2026/10/13 15:31:57 Anshum Gupta wrote:
>>>> +1 to Hoss’s idea of moving this to the sandbox.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Anshum Gupta
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2026 at 00:13 Jan Høydahl <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> +1 to move to sandbox. Tiny feature should not hold us hostage
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jan
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 12. okt. 2026 kl. 23:12 skrev Chris Hostetter <
>>> [email protected]
>>>>>> :
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The bugs found with solr/modules/cuvs in the Solr 10.1.0 RCs -- due
>>> to
>>>>> the
>>>>>> module depending on a thrid-party dependency that is tightly couple
>>> with
>>>>>> the Lucene version, but released by a completely different
>>> organization
>>>>> --
>>>>>> is really just a new variation on the fundemental the concerns I
>>> raise
>>>>>> when cuvs was first added to Solr...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-17892
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I get that cuvs is a valuable feature to have, for some people, on
>>> some
>>>>>> hardware, but I really don't think it makes sense for it to be part
>>> of
>>>>> the
>>>>>> official Solr release -- not when it's depenencies are so tightly
>>>>>> intertwined (but loosly coupled) to the specific Lucene version at a
>>>>> very
>>>>>> low level.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As Rahul indicates -- we are now facing the exact choice I warmed
>>> about
>>>>> a
>>>>>> year ago...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> In the future we (Solr) may get stuck between a rock and a hard
>>> place
>>>>>>>> when attempting a Lucene upgrades ...  we will be forced to
>>> choose:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> - Let the Lucene upgrade be blocked indefinitely until a
>>>>>>>> third-party project ( cuvs-lucene ) gets around to a
>>>>>>>> compatible release.
>>>>>>>> - Stop supporting modules/cuvs in what may be a MINOR Solr
>>>>>>>> release, potentially screwing our users who have built indexes
>>>>>>>> using that module
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I really think we need to move cuvs to either the solr-sandbox, or
>>> some
>>>>>> new purpose specific 'solr-cuvs' git repo, where it can be released
>>> on
>>>>>> it's own timeframe, dependent on when/how/if the upstream
>>> third-party
>>>>>> project (cuvs-lucene) has compatible releases for the Lucene
>>> version we
>>>>>> are using.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> People who use Solr and do *not* use modules/cuvs should not have to
>>>>>> suffer delays in getting iportant bug fixes in Solr code -- or
>>> getting a
>>>>>> Solr release with a Lucene version that's already outdated -- just
>>>>> because
>>>>>> we don't want to release a Solr version with a "broken"
>>> modules/cuvs.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Hoss
>>>>>> http://www.lucidworks.com/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2026, Rahul Goswami wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> : Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2026 17:08:02 -0400
>>>>>> : From: Rahul Goswami <[email protected]>
>>>>>> : Reply-To: [email protected]
>>>>>> : To: [email protected]
>>>>>> : Subject: Re: [VOTE] Release Solr 10.1.0 RC2
>>>>>> :
>>>>>> : Tried the RC. The cuvs module seems to be broken. Indexing fails
>>> on a
>>>>> GPU
>>>>>> : enabled machine due to API incompatibility between cuvs-lucene and
>>>>> Lucene
>>>>>> : 10.4.
>>>>>> : Currently no available compatible cuvs-lucene version exists for
>>> Lucene
>>>>>> : 10.4 and is expected to be available by December this year.
>>>>>> :
>>>>>> : If there is agreement, I could spend the effort on rolling Solr
>>> back to
>>>>>> : Lucene 10.3.2 where I have validated cuvs to work (which was also
>>> the
>>>>>> : Lucene version we were on prior to 10.4).
>>>>>> :
>>>>>> : Thoughts?
>>>>>> :
>>>>>> : 2026-10-10 20:57:58.804 WARN  (qtp166454155-71) []
>>>>> o.e.j.e.s.ServletChannel
>>>>>> : /solr/vectors/update
>>>>>> : *java.lang.NoSuchMethodError: 'int[]
>>>>>> :
>>>>> 
>>> org.apache.lucene.util.hnsw.HnswGraph$NodesIterator.getSortedNodes(org.apache.lucene.util.hnsw.HnswGraph$NodesIterator)'*
>>>>>> : at
>>>>>> :
>>>>> 
>>> com.nvidia.cuvs.lucene.Lucene99AcceleratedHNSWVectorsWriter.writeGraph(Lucene99AcceleratedHNSWVectorsWriter.java:444)
>>>>>> : at
>>>>>> :
>>>>> 
>>> com.nvidia.cuvs.lucene.Lucene99AcceleratedHNSWVectorsWriter.writeFieldInternal(Lucene99AcceleratedHNSWVectorsWriter.java:230)
>>>>>> : at
>>>>>> :
>>>>> 
>>> com.nvidia.cuvs.lucene.Lucene99AcceleratedHNSWVectorsWriter.writeField(Lucene99AcceleratedHNSWVectorsWriter.java:502)
>>>>>> : at
>>>>>> :
>>>>> 
>>> com.nvidia.cuvs.lucene.Lucene99AcceleratedHNSWVectorsWriter.flush(Lucene99AcceleratedHNSWVectorsWriter.java:494)
>>>>>> : at
>>>>>> :
>>>>> 
>>> org.apache.lucene.codecs.perfield.PerFieldKnnVectorsFormat$FieldsWriter.flush(PerFieldKnnVectorsFormat.java:120)
>>>>>> : at
>>>>>> :
>>>>> 
>>> org.apache.lucene.index.VectorValuesConsumer.flush(VectorValuesConsumer.java:76)
>>>>>> : at
>>> org.apache.lucene.index.IndexingChain.flush(IndexingChain.java:305)
>>>>>> : at
>>>>>> :
>>>>> 
>>> org.apache.lucene.index.DocumentsWriterPerThread.flush(DocumentsWriterPerThread.java:456)
>>>>>> : at
>>>>> 
>>> org.apache.lucene.index.DocumentsWriter.doFlush(DocumentsWriter.java:502)
>>>>>> : at
>>>>>> :
>>>>> 
>>> org.apache.lucene.index.DocumentsWriter.maybeFlush(DocumentsWriter.java:456)
>>>>>> : at
>>>>>> :
>>>>> 
>>> org.apache.lucene.index.DocumentsWriter.flushAllThreads(DocumentsWriter.java:649)
>>>>>> : at
>>>>>> :
>>>>> 
>>> org.apache.lucene.index.IndexWriter.prepareCommitInternal(IndexWriter.java:3712)
>>>>>> : at
>>>>> 
>>> org.apache.lucene.index.IndexWriter.commitInternal(IndexWriter.java:4160)
>>>>>> : at
>>> org.apache.lucene.index.IndexWriter.commit(IndexWriter.java:4122)
>>>>>> : at
>>>>>> :
>>>>> 
>>> org.apache.solr.update.DirectUpdateHandler2.commit(DirectUpdateHandler2.java:872)
>>>>>> : at
>>>>>> :
>>>>> 
>>> org.apache.solr.update.processor.RunUpdateProcessorFactory$RunUpdateProcessor.processCommit(RunUpdateProcessorFactory.java:100)
>>>>>> : at
>>>>>> :
>>>>> 
>>> org.apache.solr.update.processor.UpdateRequestProcessor.processCommit(UpdateRequestProcessor.java:66)
>>>>>> : at
>>>>>> :
>>>>> 
>>> org.apache.solr.update.processor.DistributedUpdateProcessor.doLocalCommit(DistributedUpdateProcessor
>>>>>> :
>>>>>> : - Rahul
>>>>>> :
>>>>>> : On Sat, Oct 10, 2026 at 5:57 PM Jan Høydahl <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> :
>>>>>> : > The changelog lists "Dependency Upgrades (61 changes)"
>>>>>> : > I thought we were to hand edit and de-duplicate that list.
>>>>>> : >
>>>>>> : > PS: Jetty 12.1.14 hits branch_10x soon, hope it can make it if
>>>>> there's a
>>>>>> : > respin.
>>>>>> : >
>>>>>> : > Jan
>>>>>> : >
>>>>>> : > > 10. okt. 2026 kl. 15:48 skrev Andrzej Białecki <[email protected]
>>>> :
>>>>>> : > >
>>>>>> : > > Please vote for release candidate 2 for Solr 10.1.0
>>>>>> : > >
>>>>>> : > > The artifacts can be downloaded from:
>>>>>> : > >
>>>>>> : >
>>>>> 
>>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/solr/solr-10.1.0-RC2-rev-dfda5e1d4821958e60d13aa5ce3a0d4992319ed1
>>>>>> : > >
>>>>>> : > > You can run the smoke tester directly with this command:
>>>>>> : > >
>>>>>> : > > python3 -u dev-tools/scripts/smokeTestRelease.py \
>>>>>> : > >
>>>>>> : >
>>>>> 
>>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/solr/solr-10.1.0-RC2-rev-dfda5e1d4821958e60d13aa5ce3a0d4992319ed1
>>>>>> : > >
>>>>>> : > > You can build a release-candidate of the official docker
>>> images
>>>>> (full &
>>>>>> : > slim) using the following command:
>>>>>> : > >
>>>>>> : > > SOLR_DOWNLOAD_SERVER=
>>>>>> : >
>>>>> 
>>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/solr/solr-10.1.0-RC2-rev-dfda5e1d4821958e60d13aa5ce3a0d4992319ed1/solr
>>>>>> : > && \
>>>>>> : > >  docker build
>>>>>> : > $SOLR_DOWNLOAD_SERVER/10.1.0/docker/Dockerfile.official-full \
>>>>>> : > >    --build-arg SOLR_DOWNLOAD_SERVER=$SOLR_DOWNLOAD_SERVER \
>>>>>> : > >    -t solr-rc:10.1.0-2 && \
>>>>>> : > >  docker build
>>>>>> : > $SOLR_DOWNLOAD_SERVER/10.1.0/docker/Dockerfile.official-slim \
>>>>>> : > >    --build-arg SOLR_DOWNLOAD_SERVER=$SOLR_DOWNLOAD_SERVER \
>>>>>> : > >    -t solr-rc:10.1.0-2-slim
>>>>>> : > >
>>>>>> : > > The vote will be open for 72 hours (not including the Sunday
>>> and
>>>>>> : > Columbus Day), i.e. until 2026-10-15 15:00 UTC.
>>>>>> : > >
>>>>>> : > > [ ] +1  approve
>>>>>> : > > [ ] +0  no opinion
>>>>>> : > > [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
>>>>>> : > >
>>>>>> : > > Here is my +1
>>>>>> : > > ----
>>>>>> : > >
>>>>>> : > > Cheers,
>>>>>> : > > Andrzej
>>>>>> : > >
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>>>> 
>>> What about highlighting to that community that we need a 10.4 release
>>> ASAP, and seeing if that changes their timeline.  Judinging from the github
>>> issue, they are filling in a number of missing verion releases, which of
>>> couse makes it more work then just cutting a 10.4 release.  If they
>>> committed to releasing a 10.4 in the next week, would that change things
>>> for us?
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