I note, Steve, that you call my comments "childish" and implied that they were neither "sensible" nor "professional" whereas I said that someone's grasp of an area seemed to be suspect and that their presentation was not consistent with the "look and feel" on the page. I don't really mind if you call me childish or unprofessional, because your opinions about me are none of my business. They are strictly your business. But, I have to tell you that I am totally confused about what the standard is here and what I have done wrong except to offer a critique of a committer which I don't take to be personal at all. I do think that "childish" is rather personal and seemingly inconsistent with your stated intentions in this email. I don't mind it, as I said. I just want you to know it is confusing. It seems to suggest that there are different standards for committers and non-committers.
I can tell you this: I have no animosity towards anyone on this list. I was merely trying to build a wiki page with some new ideas on it and have had a lot of difficulty doing that. I appreciate everyones' efforts. But, generally speaking, I do stand up for myself. I hope that is okay. That is what I am doing now.
I don't see where I have taken "personal offence". I really don't. I am merely trying to find a space to present a fairly complex idea and to do that I have to have a start. As I try to start, I keep getting infusions of old ideas into the middle of it and have tried to find a way to accommodate that. So far, I have been unsuccessful.
Michael McGrady
Steve Raeburn wrote:
Michael, You seem hell bent on taking personal offence at anything and anybody that disagrees with you.
*I* have interpreted your comments as being personally directed at Niall (and others). It's possible that you genuinely did not mean to cause offence - it's very difficult to communicate effectively over email - but it's not just a case of Niall being over-sensitive.
Given that you have been told that your comments have caused offence, I hope you will adjust your style to avoid making personal references. You are free to do and say whatever you like on your own website, but I would expect a little more courtesy on the Struts Wiki and mailing lists.
For example, rather than engaging in a sensible, professional, discussion about the merits of your idea, you resort to childish comments like:
"Your grasp of this particular area on Struts seems to me to be suspect and you seem to have no sense of the look and feel of this wiki page."
From what I have read, I would have said that description applies less toNiall and more to yourself.
For the record, I was interested at first in your dispatch action idea but I saw a few problems with it. Because of your attitude, I am not prepared to waste any of my time discussing it with you.
So far, you have impugned the technical abilities and knowledge of at least four of the Struts committers. Can I humbly suggest that it's unlikely that you are the only one who has a perfect understanding of Struts and that we are all idiots?
Steve
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