Txs Ales.

Again, this was not intended as personally addressed to you.
I've seen you asked great questions and give feedback and we really appreciate 
that!
So you already started contributing in some form - and maybe it might become 
more in the futhre by helping us with docs, etc.

txs for your understanding,
LieGrue,
strub




>________________________________
> From: Alex The Rocker <alex.m3...@gmail.com>
>To: dev@tomee.apache.org; Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de> 
>Sent: Friday, 8 November 2013, 12:12
>Subject: Re: Time to release TomEE 1.6.0
> 
>
>Mark:
>Thanks, we'll consider that.
>Alex
>
>
>
>On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
>> The issue with openjpa-2.3.0 is a regression which only hits you seldom.
>> See OPENJPA-2335
>>
>> I found it when I tried to use @OrderColumn.
>> It would be easy to fix this by rolling back Pinakis changes. But there
>> might have been a good reason for those changes.
>>
>> I'm on a conf today and have to deliver 2 more talks. After that I will be
>> able to work on that stuff again and hope I get this fixed till Sunday.
>>
>> I suggest Romain and I fix OpenJPA and we start a release of OWB and
>> OpenJPA immediately after that.
>>
>> So Alex, if you need a TomEE release, why don't you just set the version
>> to some internal number and rolle your private intermediate release
>> yourself?
>> This is really not more than mvn clean source:jar deploy -DskipTests=true
>>
>> We should have the TomEE release final somewhen this week.
>>
>> David now runs a company with commercial support even, so if you need help
>> with an internal release then I bet he can help you.
>>
>> This is OpenSource, but we are no free candy gift shop.
>> We all take a lot of heart but also time and money into TomEE and other
>> ASF projects. But not because we are bored! We really use that stuff in our
>> own projects.
>>
>>
>>
>> We are very happy to get feedback. We are also very happy if tomee users
>> are happy. We also understand that some users have time constraints. But we
>> would be even happier if people don't see all the work we do as granted for
>> free.
>>
>>
>> don't take it personal, just needed to be said ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> LieGrue,
>> strub
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >________________________________
>> > From: Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com>
>> >To: dev@tomee.apache.org
>> >Sent: Friday, 8 November 2013, 6:58
>> >Subject: Re: Time to release TomEE 1.6.0
>> >
>> >
>> >Ping Mark to know what is the openjpa regression. If blocking wait openjpa
>> >(or do the fix), if not B (or with the fix in our fork)...
>> >
>> >I just dont want a blind release
>> >
>> >Le 7 nov. 2013 22:38, "Alex The Rocker" <alex.m3...@gmail.com> a écrit :
>> >
>> >> +1 for option B, and I like the idea of a 1.6.1 maintenance release with
>> >> OpenJPA final in it, that's a perfect one if option B can be provided
>> super
>> >> fast (this week at least as a release candidate)
>> >>
>> >> Otherwise it'll amount to option C for us :(
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >> Alex
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:32 PM, Jean-Louis MONTEIRO <
>> jeano...@gmail.com
>> >> >wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Need to check whereas the option A is possible.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm for B, but I would add the following: release 1.6.1 release
>> >> maintenance
>> >> > as soon as OpenJPA gets released. Release maintenance only, no new
>> >> > features. Only big bugfixes and dep updates.
>> >> >
>> >> > Latest option is not acceptable for me
>> >> >
>> >> > To summarize:
>> >> > A = 0
>> >> > B = +1
>> >> > C = -1
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > JLouis
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > 2013/11/7 David Blevins <david.blev...@gmail.com>
>> >> >
>> >> > > So we need to start getting builds for Alex, Tim, Judah and crew or
>> >> they
>> >> > > won't be able to move forward with TomEE.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > We just have the OpenJPA issue to deal with.  We have two options:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >  A. Release with OpenJPA 2.2.2
>> >> > >  B. Release with OpenJPA 2.3.0 "pre" build of our creation -- we've
>> >> done
>> >> > > this with other things before on rare occasion
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Of course there is a 3rd option:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >  C. Forget those guys, they should give us more than 4 months lead
>> time
>> >> > > that they'll need a release.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I personally don't feel good about option #3.  Would hang those guys
>> >> out
>> >> > > to dry and send a very bad message to other users.  We need to get
>> that
>> >> > > frequent release thing down.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > So which option would have your vote?
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > -David
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Nov 3, 2013, at 10:22 PM, Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de>
>> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > openjpa-2.2.2 uses a hardcoded asm-3.2 dependency. That pretty
>> much
>> >> > > sucks.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >> ________________________________
>> >> > > >> From: David Blevins <david.blev...@gmail.com>
>> >> > > >> To: dev@tomee.apache.org
>> >> > > >> Sent: Monday, 4 November 2013, 3:25
>> >> > > >> Subject: Re: Time to release TomEE 1.6.0
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> Branched in hopes we can kick out some of the snapshot
>> dependencies
>> >> we
>> >> > > have and get a release candidate up mid week -- or at least
>> something
>> >> > > people can beat on.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> In terms of OpenJPA specifically, what is the exact issue with
>> using
>> >> > > 2.2.2?
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> -David
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> On Oct 8, 2013, at 5:00 PM, David Blevins <
>> david.blev...@gmail.com>
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>> I pinged a few people on the OpenJPA release prior to JavaOne.
>> >>  Mark
>> >> > > had volunteered some personal time for doing the OpenJPA release we
>> >> need.
>> >> > >  Mark, that still something you're up for doing?
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>> -David
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>> On Sep 5, 2013, at 3:52 AM, Jean-Louis MONTEIRO <
>> >> jeano...@gmail.com>
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>>> Cool, thanks!
>> >> > > >>>>
>> >> > > >>>> Will send a mail to dev@openwebbeans.
>> >> > > >>>>
>> >> > > >>>> JLouis
>> >> > > >>>>
>> >> > > >>>>
>> >> > > >>>> 2013/9/5 Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com>
>> >> > > >>>>
>> >> > > >>>>> FYI: TCK and build are back to green so only the dep issue now
>> >> > > (thanks
>> >> > > >>>>> David for TCK report)
>> >> > > >>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>> *Romain Manni-Bucau*
>> >> > > >>>>> *Twitter: @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau>*
>> >> > > >>>>> *Blog: **http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/*<
>> >> > > >>>>> http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/>
>> >> > > >>>>> *LinkedIn: **http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau*
>> >> > > >>>>> *Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau*
>> >> > > >>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>> 2013/9/4 Jean-Louis MONTEIRO <jeano...@gmail.com>
>> >> > > >>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>> I know that almost everybody is currently working in
>> production
>> >> > with
>> >> > > >>>>>> SNAPSHOTS (kinda releases for OpenEJB).
>> >> > > >>>>>> But sometimes, it's also good to take time to product real
>> >> > releases.
>> >> > > >>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>> But, fully agree with you. Right now it a bit complicated
>> >> > regarding
>> >> > > the
>> >> > > >>>>>> community.
>> >> > > >>>>>> Hopefully, that should be better in coming weeks, months
>> cause
>> >> we
>> >> > > are
>> >> > > >>>>>> seeing more and more contributors on the mailing lists.
>> >> > > >>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>> So they should join the committers' list of the project.
>> >> > > >>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>> JLouis
>> >> > > >>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>> 2013/9/4 Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com>
>> >> > > >>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>> Hehe,
>> >> > > >>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>> I hope so too but *today* it seems too complicated so i
>> prefer
>> >> to
>> >> > > be
>> >> > > >>>>>>> realistic.
>> >> > > >>>>>>> Le 4 sept. 2013 15:48, "Jean-Louis MONTEIRO" <
>> >> jeano...@gmail.com
>> >> > >
>> >> > > a
>> >> > > >>>>>> écrit
>> >> > > >>>>>>> :
>> >> > > >>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>> Without moving from one side to the opposite, we can IMO do
>> >> > better
>> >> > > >>>>> and
>> >> > > >>>>>>> more
>> >> > > >>>>>>>> frequent releases, at least with bugfixes.
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>> JLouis
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>> 2013/9/4 Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>> arquillian update/fix is done for weeks, OpenJPA guys
>> doesn't
>> >> > > move
>> >> > > >>>>>> but
>> >> > > >>>>>>> we
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>> can fork even if that's a bit sad, OWB is not an issue IMO
>> >> (we
>> >> > > just
>> >> > > >>>>>>> need
>> >> > > >>>>>>>> to
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>> ask).
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>> However our TCKs report is broken (report, not TCKs
>> themself
>> >> ;)
>> >> > > so
>> >> > > >>>>> we
>> >> > > >>>>>>>> need
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>> it to be fixed before any release.
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>> About maintenance releases: I think it is clear we are not
>> >> able
>> >> > > to
>> >> > > >>>>> do
>> >> > > >>>>>>> so.
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>> So when somebody able to release is ready to do it, let's
>> >> just
>> >> > > >>>>>> release
>> >> > > >>>>>>>> IMO.
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>> *Romain Manni-Bucau*
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>> *Twitter: @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau>*
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>> *Blog: **http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/*<
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>> http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>> *LinkedIn: **http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau*
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>> *Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau*
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>> 2013/9/4 Jean-Louis MONTEIRO <jeano...@gmail.com>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> @tiklu TomEE depends on other implementations to
>> implement
>> >> > Java
>> >> > > >>>>> EE
>> >> > > >>>>>> 7.
>> >> > > >>>>>>>> The
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> work has already started with openwebbeans and bean
>> >> > validation.
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> Well regarding our 1.6.0 release, I would like to have
>> it by
>> >> > the
>> >> > > >>>>>> end
>> >> > > >>>>>>> of
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> September.
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> Any updates on Arquillian, OpenWebBeans and OpenJPA?
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> Are they absolutely necessary?
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> If API changes, ok if just a bugfix, mais be we can
>> release
>> >> > > >>>>> another
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> maintenance release next month with new dependency
>> updates.
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> any comment?
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> JLouis
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> 2013/7/18 tiklu ganguly <tiklugang...@gmail.com>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> and when are you guys planning support for JavaEE 7?
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> <rmannibu...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> PS we need arquillian 1.1.1.Final too to remove an ugly
>> >> hack
>> >> > > >>>>> we
>> >> > > >>>>>>>> have
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> ATM,
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> normally should be here at the end of the week
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> *Romain Manni-Bucau*
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> *Twitter: @rmannibucau <
>> https://twitter.com/rmannibucau>*
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> *Blog: **http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/*<
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> *LinkedIn: **http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau*
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> *Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau*
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> 2013/7/16 Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> We are still waiting for owb 1.2.1 and openjpa 2.3 :(
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 16 juil. 2013 15:26, "Jean-Louis MONTEIRO" <
>> >> > > >>>>>>>> jeano...@gmail.com>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>> a
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> écrit :
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey guys,
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> was wondering if we could release TomEE 1.6.0.
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there any other releases we have to wait for?
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anybody has important things in progress?
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been a very long time since latest release and
>> it's
>> >> > > >>>>>>>> necessary
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> in
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> my
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion to get it out soon now.
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any thoughts?
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jean-Louis
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> --
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> Jean-Louis
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>> --
>> >> > > >>>>>>>> Jean-Louis
>> >> > > >>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>> --
>> >> > > >>>>>> Jean-Louis
>> >> > > >>>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>
>> >> > > >>>>
>> >> > > >>>>
>> >> > > >>>> --
>> >> > > >>>> Jean-Louis
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Jean-Louis
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
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