On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 4:26 AM Matthew Miller <mat...@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 03:53:06AM -0000, Máirín Duffy wrote: > > But we can file bugs against Discourse and they will be magically and > > quickly fixed to our satisfaction, yes? > > Of course not. However: development is very active. > https://github.com/discourse/discourse/commits/master > > > > I'm concerned that those proposing Discourse seem to not have used > > Hyperkitty at length. > > As you know, I was very excited about HyperKitty. I *did* try it very > seriously at first, but not at length, because it quickly became apparent > that it wasn't really up to the task of being my primary interface to > email. > I just couldn't use it for day-to-day communication. Not necessarily any > single thing, but lots and lots of fundamentals. How do I get a list of new > threads? How do I get a list of threads I've read but which have new > responses, and ideally show only the new responses? How can I mute a thread > I don't want to be alerted on? How do I get to the next thread from the > *bottom* of a thread I just read? How can I search... usefully at all? My > point isn't to rag on HyperKitty, but I could definitely go on. > > I tried for a while to file suggestions and bug reports, but especially > after the extra two years it took to even get deployed, it was *very* clear > there were no resources for ongoing development from Red Hat, no > significant > non-RH Fedora development, and no meaningful outside development either. > Basic things like https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/64 didn't > even get *responses*. So, I stuck with my previous email client setup. > > And the thing is, it's *not just me*. Take a look at > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/ > right now. Every single thread shows a "meh" face and "+0/-0". It says > > Most popular discussions > No vote has been cast this month (yet). > > It is the 19th of the month. Not a single vote on our most busy mailing > list. The same is true for every other list I looked at. People just aren't > using this. > > I *really* think HyperKitty has potential. But we can't run on potential. > Discourse is a pure open source project that is *really catching on and > successful*. It's not perfect either, of course, but we're way better off > aligning with something with momentum. > > Completely agree - well stated. It's quite obvious when using both tools which lends itself to better conversation and collaboration. I realize people are resistant to change - but once they start to use and learn about the new features and functionality - most people come around. Sometimes people need a nudge to change and adapt - myself included. It's just human nature - but as I get older, I try to keep an open mind and be adaptable.
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