On Mon, Feb 23, 2026, at 12:14 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Sun, Feb 22, 2026 at 09:56:31AM -0500, Stephen J Smoogen wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 21, 2026, at 12:14 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > On Sat, Feb 21, 2026 at 04:56:21PM +0000, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2026 at 10:19:02PM +0100, Michael J Gruber wrote: > > > > > Bug or feature, it seems to be intentional as per the discussion in > > > > > the texlive change. > > > > > > > > It took me a while to find any discussion of this, but I guess you > > > > mean this link? > > > > > > > > https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f44-change-proposal-texlive2025-self-contained/165120/23 > > > > > > > > Not much discussion seems to have happened before the change. Some > > > > happened afterwards (about how it broke stuff). Also, it happened on > > > > an opaque website that I don't visit regularly, because that site > > > > still cannot send useful emails. > > > > > > Sidetrack to the thread, but how are you finding the emails from > > > discussion non useful? Email is the primary way I interact with it, and > > > while it does have some quirks overall it seems usable to me. > > > > I find them non-useful in multiple ways: > > 1. Odd-threading. It is very hard for me to figure out who is replying to > > whom in various threads with the included email that it says "last message" > > can be N discussions that migth be related to what the person gets > > Strange, The only times I see threading problems are when moderators > move a discussion to a new thread/etc, but its usually pretty easy to > see where it came from...
So I went and logged in to see what I could figure out here. Somehow `Include an excerpt of replied to post in emails` was not selected on and so was `Include previous replies at the bottom of emails` was set to 'Only if not sent before` . I am changing those to be on to get it. > > 2. I constantly find that I have to log in if I am going to reply to a > > list. I have tried setting it up with email from client and when it works > > what people get seems not what I expected to send. > > Also strange, as I reply to the emails almost all the time and it > handles it surprisingly well. It's all pretty simple, the email has a > reply-to that sends to a discourse input so it knows what thread it's a > part of, etc. I've even replied to multiple emails, signed posts and > other things and had it work. > I think this was due to my using gmail.com and my work address. I am going to see if I can do so from my new account system. > > 3. I get way too may emails if I don't filter down to what I want to know. > > I was getting every ASK and other updates for a while when I thought I had > > set it up just to get EPEL related items. It took several 'punches' to get > > the filtering system to stop sending too much stuff. > > Yeah, most people dont want everything, just specific tags. > You can subscribe to only the tags you want. I really have no idea what tags to subscribe to. Several I went to look at which looked important like "change proposals" only seemed to be used at some point in the past. I subscribed to a couple but looking I can see there were many I probably should have been listening too at some point. > > 4. I probably set filtering too tight as I don't seem to get every email > > from some discussions. I will find that the first email I get is the 3rd or > > 4th email in a thread versus the one that opened it. > > Thats also surprising, as I find it to do references headers quite well. > It might be you are sorting only by date, not by thread? > I went and looked and the problem seems to have gone away since I moved away from the work email system. > > 5. I have a hard time dealing with what my brain says in visual noise in > > the UI and frankly get headaches from dealing with it too long. This is a > > neuro-issue on my part in the same way that command line terminal items > > give other people headaches or unable to concentrate. > > Well, I was specifically asking about the email interface... not the web > interface. > Due to not finding all my emails and such I have had to go log into the interface regularly to figure out what was going on. I realized I had not logged in since I had moved to the new email provider (I realized this because the interface says I have N! unread replies and notifications. > > These problems come and go with the updates to the backend software, but I > > really don't feel like spending a lot of time 'learning' how to optimize > > the new interface due to 5. Most of my ability to focus on this is due to > > familiarity and being able to take the time years ago to learn that area. I > > just don't have that time these days. > > > > This isn't a 'the software is evil and must be ditched' statement. A > > community distribution must make choices to how it wants to continue > > existing as people have different amounts of time and energy to contribute. > > Sure, I was just wanting to offer my help for those hitting problems or > thinking that the email interface wasn't workable... The main thing I have is tags. I can subscribe to various ones, but if new tags are added, I need a way to know this. Is there a report which says these sorts of things? -- Stephen J Smoogen. Let us be kind to one another, for most of us are fighting a hard battle. -- Ian MacClaren -- _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/[email protected] Do not reply to spam, report it: https://forge.fedoraproject.org/infra/tickets/issues/new
