Kevin Fenzi venit, vidit, dixit 2026-09-08 17:36:48:
> On Tue, Sep 08, 2026 at 02:31:49PM +0200, Michael J Gruber wrote:
> > Justin Forbes venit, vidit, dixit 2026-09-08 07:09:55:
> > > I do send as fedoraproject.org, and have for a while now when dealing
> > > with upstream kernel. I like the visibility for Fedora, but if it goes
> > > away I will get by.  I do think the visibility of Fedora in upstream
> > > projects is both valid and important, but there are other ways to
> > > achieve this as well.
> > > 
> > They are twindling, and GMail's change is a minor part. The major part
> 
> Huh... learned a new word today. ;) 

I guess I was too harsh ;)
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> Who is 'They' in your sentence?

You know, they!
The "alternative email providers that allow you to send-as".
The part that I referred to but didn't quote.
Because it would be too easy otherwise ...
Oh well!

> > is that fp.o addresses are becoming unreliable in the sense that more
> > and more services will filter them out or increase their spam
> > probability due to the lax SPF policies which are necessary if we have
> 
> Is there any evidence of this happening?

Personally yes, when sending to people with tight email setup (on their
own hosts). I've had trouble with a similar address on some mailing
lists.

I've also seen a few e-mails on devel landing in spam (via
GMail on the receiving end), mostly from RH addresses.

> I suppose google keeps telling everyone that they have to have DKIM, but
> they have said that for a long while and yet emails go through?
> 
> We do have SPF and DMARC (all be it in a permissive way).

Now it's my turn to learn a new spelling ;-)

> 
> Adding locked down DMARC/SPF/DKIM is not any kind of surity that the
> email will be accepted.

Sure.

My point is that we should decide on a setup and recommendation that is
working most of the time. Perceptions about the current state of affairs
differ, and we'll know about the future when it's past. Or passed.

Michael
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