On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 09:58:38AM -0700, Ian Clarke wrote: > On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 01:52:35PM +0100, Toad wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 02:43:16AM -0700, Ian Clarke wrote: > > > The JRE license permits redistribution - exactly what are we violating > > > (section and paragraph please)? > > > > READ MY FUCKING EMAIL IAN. Or you could simply try to download the JRE > > from http://java.sun.com/ AND READ THE CLICK THROUGH LICENSE. > > I did - your argument is bullshit amateur lawyering, stop acting like > you know what you are talking about.
Lawyers do use some form of english you know. That agreement that I pasted seems fairly unambiguous to me, and it is intended to be. A reasonable person would interpret it as prohibiting us mirroring the JRE installer in its entirety, except as part of a bundle. > > If there is the possiblity of an issue I will contact Sun and clarify it > - we certainly aren't basing any decisions on your expert legal opinion. Well, Sun have been so helpful in the past. As demonstrated by the NIO code. Sure, we didn't report all the bugs. But anyone who had tried to do any serious work based on NIO would have found them. And NIO has been out for how long now? A year or more? Anyway, enough Sun-bashing, that's covered in my reply to the debian guy :) > > Oh, and DON'T SHOUT, its rude. > > Ian. > > > > > > > Ian. > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 09:16:26AM +0100, Dave Hooper wrote: > > > > As I understand it, yes, we're blatantly in violation, but bundling the > > > > JRE into the installer is also in violation. Again, as I understand it, > > > > if we bundle JRE with Freenet, we should try to ensure that it is not > > > > usable by other applications. > > > > > > > > I can see no way of achieving this. If indeed it is acceptable to bundle > > > > the JRE installer inside a 'heavy installer' then what's preventing any > > > > casual user downloading the heavy installer just for the JRE? I think > > > > *this* is what Sun really wants to prevent. I believe that if we bundle > > > > Sun JRE we *cannot* use Sun's JRE installer. > > > > > > > > The only solutions I see are to produce our own installer for JRE (not > > > > fun, no thank you) or just scrap the automatic download of the JRE and > > > > request that the users go to java.sun.com and download it themselves. > > > > > > > > And then we're back where we started with a user-unfriendly installer. > > > > > > > > <shrug> > > > > > > > > d > > > > > > > > > The best option is probably for the lite installer to download and run > > > > > the heavy installer if it detects that the user does not have the JRE > > > > > installed. > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 02:34:47AM +0100, toad wrote: > > > > >> Please produce a freenet-wininstall.exe variation that includes the JRE, > > > > >> in the same file. Then delete the illegal files > > > > >> j2re-1_4_1_02-windows-i586-i.exe, j2re-1_4_1_03-windows-i586-i.exe and > > > > >> jre-win32-latest.exe from http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/ > > > > >> > > > > >> Then email me to say you have done it. I will delete the files if you > > > > >> will just deal with the wininstallers. > > > > >> > > > > >> You may want to make a wininstaller version that does not include the > > > > >> JRE, we can link to both versions. > > > > >> > > > > >> This is a release blocker, although there are a few others. > > > > >> -- > > > > >> Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >> Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ > > > > >> ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ > > > > > ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > devl mailing list > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > http://hawk.freenetproject.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl > > > > > > -- > > > Ian Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Coordinator, The Freenet Project http://freenetproject.org/ > > > Founder, Locutus http://locut.us/ > > > Personal Homepage http://locut.us/ian/ > > > > > > > > -- > > Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ > > ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. > > > > -- > Ian Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Coordinator, The Freenet Project http://freenetproject.org/ > Founder, Locutus http://locut.us/ > Personal Homepage http://locut.us/ian/ -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so.
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