On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 10:18:37AM -0700, Ian Clarke wrote: > > Lawyers do use some form of english you know. > > Ah, if I needed any confirmation that you have no lawyering experience, > this provides more than enough! It is entirely possible that since we > do not advertise the URL for the jre on our page and the only realistic > way anyone is going to find it is as part of the installation of > Freenet, that it would meet Sun's criteria for bundling. Even if, in
Is it? http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/ is quoted in every single release notice. Because I did not know it contained anything that should not be known about. > some strange universe, Sun didn't agree with us and notified us of this, > *that* would be the time to make the change. Sun's intention is clearly > to prevent people from setting up competing download locations for the > JRE - obviously this isn't what we are doing. That would be far too late. They would sue us for damages. Whether they won or not, it'd be an almighty mess. > > Where there is legal ambiguity, it is generally best to assume the > common sense interpretation while requesting clarification, rather than > wasting time and development effort by assuming the worst. > Yes indeed. The common sense view is that we are distributing the Sun JRE without license. At least within the community of people who read the mailing lists, which is pretty huge if you count the possible readers from the archives. > > That agreement that I pasted > > seems fairly unambiguous to me, and it is intended to be. A reasonable > > person would interpret it as prohibiting us mirroring the JRE installer > > in its entirety, except as part of a bundle. > > A reasonable person would ask Sun before wasting development effort > based upon pessimistic amateur legal interpretations. > > > Well, Sun have been so helpful in the past. As demonstrated by the NIO > > code. Sure, we didn't report all the bugs. But anyone who had tried to > > do any serious work based on NIO would have found them. > > Unless they all shared your attitude and didn't bother reporting the > bugs. > > I have no problem getting responses from Sun when I need to - perhaps > you aren't asking politely? Perhaps I don't ask politely because their code and the fact that it hasn't been fixed in over a year and now they are rushing ahead with AIO, functional programming and other such bullshit when nobody in their right mind would write a server app using java.nio demonstrates that they are total fuckwits? > > Ian. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so.
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