On Saturday, February 25, 2017 07:50:05 PM Ian Clarke wrote:
> While I'm more familiar with Slack, https://gitter.im/ is an alternative we
> should consider that's used by a few open source projects.
> Slack may have more of a barrier to entry for users, for example the Kotlin
> open source project appears to require an external invite mechanism before
> users can access Slack - http://slack.kotlinlang.org/
> However, Gitter seems to require a Github account, which might be a problem
> for non-developers.

Do those services actually support mailing lists, as in only accessing them 
using a real mail client?
Does this actually work well or is it some cheap buggy gateway? E.g. the mails 
I get from you are always having very broken quoting, is that perhaps because 
you use such a cloud service? :|

Our typical developer is using a highly sophisticated terminal mail client 
which has received decades of development.
Having to use a cheap JavaScript web interface would frustrate those people a 
lot and cripple their productivity.

Also the vendor lock-in would be very problematic:
I currently have 3649 unprocessed mails in my Freenet inbox which I consider 
as TODOs. Some of them date back half a decade, and yes, I want to process all 
of them.
How would I be supposed to resolve them if the typical cloud chat service like 
Gitter / Slack goes bankrupt in much less than this time and takes down our 
data with it? :|

Sorry to annoy you with opposition yet once more. It's just that there are 
people who actually consider the fact that email exists since 1970 as a *good* 
thing - that means that it does actually work :)

> As for complaints about proprietary services, nothing in the goals of our
> project mandates that we only ever use open source tools.

Nothing in the goals of Apple Computer obliges them to not sell 5 inch thick 
black laptops like Lenovo does - yet they keep selling thin white ones.
- We must not forget the interests of a typical Freenet "customer", and free 
software is very likely among that. We'll lose some of them if we choose to 
become too proprietary.

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