"free speech" these days also seems to be, unfortunately, anything that demeans
minorities, but anything to criticise those demeaning minorities is obviously
not free speech and should be demonized immediately.
----- Original Message -----
From: DJ Amireh
To: devl@freenetproject.org
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list
The biggest threat to free speech today is the take over of corporations and
shareholders as the arbiters of what is and is not allowed to be spoken. We
allow this to happen because corporations and shareholders "know what's best
for the economy" and if you don't like it you're a "postmodern neomarxist." Sad
to see these thought stopping political buzzwords being thrown around to label,
demean and dismiss any opposition to the corporate takeover of speech and
thought.
On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 5:13 PM Ian Clarke <i...@freenet.org> wrote:
That's why I clarified with postmodern neomarxism, although FYI - in the US
everyone views "woke" as a pejorative.
Here is an excellent book about it by a Columbia University linguistics
professor. Let me know what you think!
On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 4:05 PM craig mcgee
<craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote:
I take woke to mean definition 1.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/woke
what is so wrong with that?
----- Original Message -----
From: Ian Clarke
To: devl@freenetproject.org
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list
I am a classical liberal and a social libertarian. I grew up as part of
a small religious minority and saw ethnic bigotry at a young age. Even as a
child I instantly recognized it as evil.
I have no problem with left liberals, libertarians, or conservatives. I
think they each bring a critical perspective.
I hate identitarianism in all its forms, on the right and the left.
The woke mind virus, more formally postmodern neo-marxism, is the
greatest threat to civilization today. It is a cancer that has already done
incredible damage.
Anyone who has a problem with that can touch grass. You can quote me on
that.
Thanks for your support on the name change :)
On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 3:36 PM DJ Amireh <cactus...@gmail.com> wrote:
I agreed with Ian on the name change and I think "Freenet classic" is
perfectly acceptable and indicates exactly what it is -- the classic version.
It's not saying it's outdated or legacy or anything like that. And I sympathize
with Ian's frustration dealing with this but personally as a member of "the
next generation" that Ian is concerned about I was disappointed to see this
"anti woke rhetoric" being thrown around. The next generation is not pro or
anti woke but throwing around accusations of "virtue signalling" is typical alt
right rhetoric and something I was disappointed to see from someone
representing a project that I hold in high regards.
On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 12:16 PM Ian Clarke <i...@freenet.org> wrote:
Woke virtue signaling noted. I don't care whether you find it
funny. I'm not seeking your approval.
On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 11:12 AM craig mcgee
<craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote:
Ian,
I didn't say your statement was racist, just that I didnt find it
funny, that's all. I gathered it was made as a joke, but just wanted to state
my opposition to racism, as russel requested, and leave it at that.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ian Clarke
To: devl@freenetproject.org
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list
Only a midwit idiot would think that remark was racist,
particularly one who brought racism into the conversation in the first place.
I thought it was funny, and that's all that matters. If you
don't like it, I suggest you touch grass.
I'm going to start blocking you idiots.
On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 9:38 AM craig mcgee
<craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote:
I have to admit I was confused by the statement Ian made.
Joke or not, it wasn't funny.
but this is as far as I will go on the matter as I don't wish
to get involved in the freenet dispute.
----- Original Message -----
From: Russell Glenn
To: devl@freenetproject.org
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 3:33 PM
Subject: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list
Mr. Ian Clarke,
when discussing your acquisition of a secondary domain,
"freenet.org", for your highly controversial unilateral
decision
to rewrite the Freenet Project which has always been hosted
on "freenetproject.org", you said the following:
> Yeah, all of the provocatively racist domain names were
taken anyway.
Notice that this is a VERBATIM quote, and the email of
yours did
not contain ANY other content, nothing to reduce the
gravity of
this statement; the gravity of which cannot be reduced
anyway.
Proof:
https://www.mail-archive.com/devl@freenetproject.org/msg55336.html
As a black person, but not only as such, I inform you that
racism
is NOT tolerable by any means whatsoever on this planet and
will
NEVER be.
And before you attempt to dismiss this as a joke:
Millions of people died due to racism.
You, especially as a white person, are not entitled to joke
about that.
Nobody is.
And this piles onto the provable falsehoods and other
insults you have
produced on this list in the previous days.
Therefore, it is my duty to join the ranks of people who
request
you to:
* immediately step down as leader of the Freenet Project and
* leave its board and
* transfer ownership of the domains to the Freenet
developer team and
* transfer ownership of all other related accounts and
* cease to use the name "Freenet" for any of your new
projects.
Racists, or those who joke about racism, do not belong into
positions
where power is wielded.
As you have failed to prove that the board of the project
is still
constructed of active members of the community,
and not of those who have been inactive for decades as Mr.
Daigniere
stated,
I join those who request leadership is transferred to the
leading developer.
To my knowledge, this is Mr. Babenhauserheide.
Should he not accept the position, I would vouch for the
previous lead
developer Mr. Dougherty, or anyone of the choice of the two.
Finally, I urgently implore anyone who reads this email to
state
their support. We must stand united against racism.
- Russell Glenn
--
Ian Clarke
Founder, The Freenet Project
Email: i...@freenet.org
--
Ian Clarke
Founder, The Freenet Project
Email: i...@freenet.org
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Ian Clarke
Founder, The Freenet Project
Email: i...@freenet.org
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Ian Clarke
Founder, The Freenet Project
Email: i...@freenet.org
