Trusting academic papers is even worse than trusting Wikipedia <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grievance_studies_affair>, have you not been paying attention?
Anyway, I'm not trying to persuade you. I don't have time to pick apart your gish gallop of stuff you just googled. If you believe in Freenet's mission then please stick around, but you'll need to develop a bit more tolerance for diversity of thought. On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 5:22 PM DJ Amireh <cactus...@gmail.com> wrote: > I would suggest that to keep the argument above board we should be relying > on academic sources. Here is my first source: "Cultural Marxism and the > Radical Right" published in the anthology "The Post-War Anglo-American Far > Right" by the University of Northampton UK. Abstract: "This essay examines > the conspiratorial dynamics of the term Cultural Marxism, which has been > deployed by a number of extreme right activists. Jamin parses this > discourse from its origins in the Free Congress Foundation, to its uptake > by the high-profile American politician Pat Buchanan, to its eventual > employment by Anders Breivik. As well as in Anglophone settings such as > Breivik’s manifesto, analysis also highlights that the concept has found a > relevance within the British extreme right. Figures including Nick Griffin > have drawn on this terminology, a discourse offering a useful crutch to > support various political arguments. Jamin’s conclusions highlight the > nebulous nature of this discourse, allowing a variety of protagonists to > use it to mobilize a range of passions." > https://books.google.com/books?id=VbLSBAAAQBAJ > > On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 6:11 PM Ian Clarke <i...@freenet.org> wrote: > >> Do you seriously think Wikipedia is a reliable source on anything >> remotely related to woke ideology? That's hilarious. >> >> The term "Cultural Marxism" is used by many Jewish people, and when they >> use it, they aren't talking about a far-right ideology. They're talking >> about a far-left ideology. >> >> What you're talking about is a form of terminological >> guilt-by-association, a very dishonest way to try to discredit someone >> simply by them *mentioning the name of an ideology*. >> >> It's Orwellian. Try to diversify your news sources, you're living in a >> bubble. >> >> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 5:01 PM DJ Amireh <cactus...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Sounds like you are unfamiliar with the contemporary discussion using >>> the terms you are bandying about. Heres an encyclopedia article that may >>> enlighten you: >>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory I >>> believe the first paragraph fits what you are saying to a T, claiming the >>> downfall of western civilization and accusing your opponents of >>> "neomarxism" : "The term "*Cultural Marxism*" refers to a far-right >>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right> antisemitic >>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic> conspiracy theory >>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory> which claims that >>> Western >>> Marxism <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Marxism> is the basis >>> of continuing academic and intellectual efforts to subvert Western >>> culture <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_culture>. The >>> conspiracy theory misrepresents the Frankfurt School >>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School> as being responsible >>> for modern progressive >>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_politics> movements, identity >>> politics <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_politics>, and political >>> correctness <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness>, >>> claiming there is an ongoing and intentional subversion >>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subversion> of Western society via a >>> planned culture war <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_war> that >>> undermines the Christian values of traditionalist conservatism >>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditionalist_conservatism> and seeks >>> to replace them with the culturally liberal values of the 1960s." >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 5:48 PM Ian Clarke <i...@freenet.org> wrote: >>> >>>> I understand the exact meaning of the terms I've been using, but if you >>>> don't you can just admit that. I'm happy to explain. >>>> >>>> I'm just as opposed to corruption as you are, whether in government or >>>> private organizations. as I said, I respect left-liberals. >>>> >>>> Postmodern neomarxism, aka the woke-mind-virus, has nothing to do with >>>> fixing any of that, on the contrary it's a whole different kind of >>>> corruption, far more dangerous. >>>> >>>> Is this all completely new to you? I can recommend a few books if it >>>> would help. Do you live in an English-speaking country? >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 4:42 PM DJ Amireh <cactus...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The biggest threat to free speech today is the take over of >>>>> corporations and shareholders as the arbiters of what is and is not >>>>> allowed >>>>> to be spoken. We allow this to happen because corporations and >>>>> shareholders >>>>> "know what's best for the economy" and if you don't like it you're a >>>>> "postmodern neomarxist." Sad to see these thought stopping political >>>>> buzzwords being thrown around to label, demean and dismiss any opposition >>>>> to the corporate takeover of speech and thought. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 5:13 PM Ian Clarke <i...@freenet.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> That's why I clarified with postmodern neomarxism, although FYI - in >>>>>> the US everyone views "woke" as a pejorative >>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adPXDTvADD0>. >>>>>> >>>>>> Here is an excellent book >>>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Woke-Racism-Religion-Betrayed-America-ebook/dp/B095JLK96B> >>>>>> about >>>>>> it by a Columbia University linguistics professor. Let me know what you >>>>>> think! >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 4:05 PM craig mcgee < >>>>>> craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I take woke to mean definition 1. >>>>>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/woke >>>>>>> what is so wrong with that? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> *From:* Ian Clarke <i...@freenet.org> >>>>>>> *To:* devl@freenetproject.org >>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2023 9:55 PM >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am a classical liberal and a social libertarian. I grew up as part >>>>>>> of a small religious minority and saw ethnic bigotry at a young age. >>>>>>> Even >>>>>>> as a child I instantly recognized it as evil. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have no problem with left liberals, libertarians, or >>>>>>> conservatives. I think they each bring a critical perspective. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I hate identitarianism in all its forms, on the right and the left. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The woke mind virus, more formally postmodern neo-marxism, is the >>>>>>> greatest threat to civilization today. It is a cancer that has already >>>>>>> done >>>>>>> incredible damage. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyone who has a problem with that can touch grass. You can quote me >>>>>>> on that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for your support on the name change :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 3:36 PM DJ Amireh <cactus...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I agreed with Ian on the name change and I think "Freenet classic" >>>>>>>> is perfectly acceptable and indicates exactly what it is -- the classic >>>>>>>> version. It's not saying it's outdated or legacy or anything like >>>>>>>> that. And >>>>>>>> I sympathize with Ian's frustration dealing with this but personally >>>>>>>> as a >>>>>>>> member of "the next generation" that Ian is concerned about I was >>>>>>>> disappointed to see this "anti woke rhetoric" being thrown around. The >>>>>>>> next >>>>>>>> generation is not pro or anti woke but throwing around accusations of >>>>>>>> "virtue signalling" is typical alt right rhetoric and something I was >>>>>>>> disappointed to see from someone representing a project that I hold in >>>>>>>> high >>>>>>>> regards. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 12:16 PM Ian Clarke <i...@freenet.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Woke virtue signaling noted. I don't care whether you find it >>>>>>>>> funny. I'm not seeking your approval. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 11:12 AM craig mcgee < >>>>>>>>> craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ian, >>>>>>>>>> I didn't say your statement was racist, just that I didnt find it >>>>>>>>>> funny, that's all. I gathered it was made as a joke, but just wanted >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> state my opposition to racism, as russel requested, and leave it at >>>>>>>>>> that. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>> *From:* Ian Clarke <i...@freenet.org> >>>>>>>>>> *To:* devl@freenetproject.org >>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2023 5:07 PM >>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Only a midwit idiot would think that remark was racist, >>>>>>>>>> particularly one who brought racism into the conversation in the >>>>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>>> place. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I thought it was funny, and that's all that matters. If you don't >>>>>>>>>> like it, I suggest you touch grass. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm going to start blocking you idiots. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 9:38 AM craig mcgee < >>>>>>>>>> craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have to admit I was confused by the statement Ian made. Joke >>>>>>>>>>> or not, it wasn't funny. >>>>>>>>>>> but this is as far as I will go on the matter as I don't wish to >>>>>>>>>>> get involved in the freenet dispute. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Russell Glenn <rusgl...@swismail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> *To:* devl@freenetproject.org >>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2023 3:33 PM >>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Ian Clarke, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> when discussing your acquisition of a secondary domain, >>>>>>>>>>> "freenet.org", for your highly controversial unilateral decision >>>>>>>>>>> to rewrite the Freenet Project which has always been hosted >>>>>>>>>>> on "freenetproject.org", you said the following: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > Yeah, all of the provocatively racist domain names were taken >>>>>>>>>>> anyway. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Notice that this is a VERBATIM quote, and the email of yours did >>>>>>>>>>> not contain ANY other content, nothing to reduce the gravity of >>>>>>>>>>> this statement; the gravity of which cannot be reduced anyway. >>>>>>>>>>> Proof: >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/devl@freenetproject.org/msg55336.html >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As a black person, but not only as such, I inform you that racism >>>>>>>>>>> is NOT tolerable by any means whatsoever on this planet and will >>>>>>>>>>> NEVER be. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And before you attempt to dismiss this as a joke: >>>>>>>>>>> Millions of people died due to racism. >>>>>>>>>>> You, especially as a white person, are not entitled to joke >>>>>>>>>>> about that. >>>>>>>>>>> Nobody is. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And this piles onto the provable falsehoods and other insults >>>>>>>>>>> you have >>>>>>>>>>> produced on this list in the previous days. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Therefore, it is my duty to join the ranks of people who request >>>>>>>>>>> you to: >>>>>>>>>>> * immediately step down as leader of the Freenet Project and >>>>>>>>>>> * leave its board and >>>>>>>>>>> * transfer ownership of the domains to the Freenet developer >>>>>>>>>>> team and >>>>>>>>>>> * transfer ownership of all other related accounts and >>>>>>>>>>> * cease to use the name "Freenet" for any of your new projects. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Racists, or those who joke about racism, do not belong into >>>>>>>>>>> positions >>>>>>>>>>> where power is wielded. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As you have failed to prove that the board of the project is >>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>> constructed of active members of the community, >>>>>>>>>>> and not of those who have been inactive for decades as Mr. >>>>>>>>>>> Daigniere >>>>>>>>>>> stated, >>>>>>>>>>> I join those who request leadership is transferred to the >>>>>>>>>>> leading developer. >>>>>>>>>>> To my knowledge, this is Mr. Babenhauserheide. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Should he not accept the position, I would vouch for the >>>>>>>>>>> previous lead >>>>>>>>>>> developer Mr. Dougherty, or anyone of the choice of the two. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Finally, I urgently implore anyone who reads this email to state >>>>>>>>>>> their support. We must stand united against racism. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> - Russell Glenn >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Ian Clarke >>>>>>>>>> Founder, The Freenet Project >>>>>>>>>> Email: i...@freenet.org <i...@freenetproject.org> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Ian Clarke >>>>>>>>> Founder, The Freenet Project >>>>>>>>> Email: i...@freenet.org <i...@freenetproject.org> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Ian Clarke >>>>>>> Founder, The Freenet Project >>>>>>> Email: i...@freenet.org <i...@freenetproject.org> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Ian Clarke >>>>>> Founder, The Freenet Project >>>>>> Email: i...@freenet.org <i...@freenetproject.org> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ian Clarke >>>> Founder, The Freenet Project >>>> Email: i...@freenet.org <i...@freenetproject.org> >>>> >>> >> >> -- >> Ian Clarke >> Founder, The Freenet Project >> Email: i...@freenet.org <i...@freenetproject.org> >> > -- Ian Clarke Founder, The Freenet Project Email: i...@freenet.org <i...@freenetproject.org>
