I would suggest that to keep the argument above board we should be relying on academic sources. Here is my first source: "Cultural Marxism and the Radical Right" published in the anthology "The Post-War Anglo-American Far Right" by the University of Northampton UK. Abstract: "This essay examines the conspiratorial dynamics of the term Cultural Marxism, which has been deployed by a number of extreme right activists. Jamin parses this discourse from its origins in the Free Congress Foundation, to its uptake by the high-profile American politician Pat Buchanan, to its eventual employment by Anders Breivik. As well as in Anglophone settings such as Breivik’s manifesto, analysis also highlights that the concept has found a relevance within the British extreme right. Figures including Nick Griffin have drawn on this terminology, a discourse offering a useful crutch to support various political arguments. Jamin’s conclusions highlight the nebulous nature of this discourse, allowing a variety of protagonists to use it to mobilize a range of passions." https://books.google.com/books?id=VbLSBAAAQBAJ
On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 6:11 PM Ian Clarke <i...@freenet.org> wrote: > Do you seriously think Wikipedia is a reliable source on anything remotely > related to woke ideology? That's hilarious. > > The term "Cultural Marxism" is used by many Jewish people, and when they > use it, they aren't talking about a far-right ideology. They're talking > about a far-left ideology. > > What you're talking about is a form of terminological > guilt-by-association, a very dishonest way to try to discredit someone > simply by them *mentioning the name of an ideology*. > > It's Orwellian. Try to diversify your news sources, you're living in a > bubble. > > On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 5:01 PM DJ Amireh <cactus...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Sounds like you are unfamiliar with the contemporary discussion using the >> terms you are bandying about. Heres an encyclopedia article that may >> enlighten you: >> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory I >> believe the first paragraph fits what you are saying to a T, claiming the >> downfall of western civilization and accusing your opponents of >> "neomarxism" : "The term "*Cultural Marxism*" refers to a far-right >> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right> antisemitic >> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic> conspiracy theory >> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory> which claims that Western >> Marxism <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Marxism> is the basis >> of continuing academic and intellectual efforts to subvert Western >> culture <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_culture>. The >> conspiracy theory misrepresents the Frankfurt School >> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School> as being responsible >> for modern progressive >> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_politics> movements, identity >> politics <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_politics>, and political >> correctness <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness>, >> claiming there is an ongoing and intentional subversion >> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subversion> of Western society via a >> planned culture war <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_war> that >> undermines the Christian values of traditionalist conservatism >> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditionalist_conservatism> and seeks >> to replace them with the culturally liberal values of the 1960s." >> >> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 5:48 PM Ian Clarke <i...@freenet.org> wrote: >> >>> I understand the exact meaning of the terms I've been using, but if you >>> don't you can just admit that. I'm happy to explain. >>> >>> I'm just as opposed to corruption as you are, whether in government or >>> private organizations. as I said, I respect left-liberals. >>> >>> Postmodern neomarxism, aka the woke-mind-virus, has nothing to do with >>> fixing any of that, on the contrary it's a whole different kind of >>> corruption, far more dangerous. >>> >>> Is this all completely new to you? I can recommend a few books if it >>> would help. Do you live in an English-speaking country? >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 4:42 PM DJ Amireh <cactus...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> The biggest threat to free speech today is the take over of >>>> corporations and shareholders as the arbiters of what is and is not allowed >>>> to be spoken. We allow this to happen because corporations and shareholders >>>> "know what's best for the economy" and if you don't like it you're a >>>> "postmodern neomarxist." Sad to see these thought stopping political >>>> buzzwords being thrown around to label, demean and dismiss any opposition >>>> to the corporate takeover of speech and thought. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 5:13 PM Ian Clarke <i...@freenet.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> That's why I clarified with postmodern neomarxism, although FYI - in >>>>> the US everyone views "woke" as a pejorative >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adPXDTvADD0>. >>>>> >>>>> Here is an excellent book >>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Woke-Racism-Religion-Betrayed-America-ebook/dp/B095JLK96B> >>>>> about >>>>> it by a Columbia University linguistics professor. Let me know what you >>>>> think! >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 4:05 PM craig mcgee < >>>>> craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I take woke to mean definition 1. >>>>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/woke >>>>>> what is so wrong with that? >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> *From:* Ian Clarke <i...@freenet.org> >>>>>> *To:* devl@freenetproject.org >>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2023 9:55 PM >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list >>>>>> >>>>>> I am a classical liberal and a social libertarian. I grew up as part >>>>>> of a small religious minority and saw ethnic bigotry at a young age. Even >>>>>> as a child I instantly recognized it as evil. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have no problem with left liberals, libertarians, or conservatives. >>>>>> I think they each bring a critical perspective. >>>>>> >>>>>> I hate identitarianism in all its forms, on the right and the left. >>>>>> >>>>>> The woke mind virus, more formally postmodern neo-marxism, is the >>>>>> greatest threat to civilization today. It is a cancer that has already >>>>>> done >>>>>> incredible damage. >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyone who has a problem with that can touch grass. You can quote me >>>>>> on that. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for your support on the name change :) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 3:36 PM DJ Amireh <cactus...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I agreed with Ian on the name change and I think "Freenet classic" >>>>>>> is perfectly acceptable and indicates exactly what it is -- the classic >>>>>>> version. It's not saying it's outdated or legacy or anything like that. >>>>>>> And >>>>>>> I sympathize with Ian's frustration dealing with this but personally as >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> member of "the next generation" that Ian is concerned about I was >>>>>>> disappointed to see this "anti woke rhetoric" being thrown around. The >>>>>>> next >>>>>>> generation is not pro or anti woke but throwing around accusations of >>>>>>> "virtue signalling" is typical alt right rhetoric and something I was >>>>>>> disappointed to see from someone representing a project that I hold in >>>>>>> high >>>>>>> regards. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 12:16 PM Ian Clarke <i...@freenet.org> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Woke virtue signaling noted. I don't care whether you find it >>>>>>>> funny. I'm not seeking your approval. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 11:12 AM craig mcgee < >>>>>>>> craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ian, >>>>>>>>> I didn't say your statement was racist, just that I didnt find it >>>>>>>>> funny, that's all. I gathered it was made as a joke, but just wanted >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> state my opposition to racism, as russel requested, and leave it at >>>>>>>>> that. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> *From:* Ian Clarke <i...@freenet.org> >>>>>>>>> *To:* devl@freenetproject.org >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2023 5:07 PM >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Only a midwit idiot would think that remark was racist, >>>>>>>>> particularly one who brought racism into the conversation in the first >>>>>>>>> place. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I thought it was funny, and that's all that matters. If you don't >>>>>>>>> like it, I suggest you touch grass. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm going to start blocking you idiots. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 9:38 AM craig mcgee < >>>>>>>>> craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have to admit I was confused by the statement Ian made. Joke or >>>>>>>>>> not, it wasn't funny. >>>>>>>>>> but this is as far as I will go on the matter as I don't wish to >>>>>>>>>> get involved in the freenet dispute. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>> *From:* Russell Glenn <rusgl...@swismail.com> >>>>>>>>>> *To:* devl@freenetproject.org >>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2023 3:33 PM >>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mr. Ian Clarke, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> when discussing your acquisition of a secondary domain, >>>>>>>>>> "freenet.org", for your highly controversial unilateral decision >>>>>>>>>> to rewrite the Freenet Project which has always been hosted >>>>>>>>>> on "freenetproject.org", you said the following: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > Yeah, all of the provocatively racist domain names were taken >>>>>>>>>> anyway. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Notice that this is a VERBATIM quote, and the email of yours did >>>>>>>>>> not contain ANY other content, nothing to reduce the gravity of >>>>>>>>>> this statement; the gravity of which cannot be reduced anyway. >>>>>>>>>> Proof: >>>>>>>>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/devl@freenetproject.org/msg55336.html >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As a black person, but not only as such, I inform you that racism >>>>>>>>>> is NOT tolerable by any means whatsoever on this planet and will >>>>>>>>>> NEVER be. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And before you attempt to dismiss this as a joke: >>>>>>>>>> Millions of people died due to racism. >>>>>>>>>> You, especially as a white person, are not entitled to joke about >>>>>>>>>> that. >>>>>>>>>> Nobody is. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And this piles onto the provable falsehoods and other insults you >>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>> produced on this list in the previous days. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Therefore, it is my duty to join the ranks of people who request >>>>>>>>>> you to: >>>>>>>>>> * immediately step down as leader of the Freenet Project and >>>>>>>>>> * leave its board and >>>>>>>>>> * transfer ownership of the domains to the Freenet developer team >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> * transfer ownership of all other related accounts and >>>>>>>>>> * cease to use the name "Freenet" for any of your new projects. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Racists, or those who joke about racism, do not belong into >>>>>>>>>> positions >>>>>>>>>> where power is wielded. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As you have failed to prove that the board of the project is still >>>>>>>>>> constructed of active members of the community, >>>>>>>>>> and not of those who have been inactive for decades as Mr. >>>>>>>>>> Daigniere >>>>>>>>>> stated, >>>>>>>>>> I join those who request leadership is transferred to the >>>>>>>>>> leading developer. >>>>>>>>>> To my knowledge, this is Mr. Babenhauserheide. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Should he not accept the position, I would vouch for the previous >>>>>>>>>> lead >>>>>>>>>> developer Mr. Dougherty, or anyone of the choice of the two. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Finally, I urgently implore anyone who reads this email to state >>>>>>>>>> their support. We must stand united against racism. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - Russell Glenn >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Ian Clarke >>>>>>>>> Founder, The Freenet Project >>>>>>>>> Email: i...@freenet.org <i...@freenetproject.org> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Ian Clarke >>>>>>>> Founder, The Freenet Project >>>>>>>> Email: i...@freenet.org <i...@freenetproject.org> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Ian Clarke >>>>>> Founder, The Freenet Project >>>>>> Email: i...@freenet.org <i...@freenetproject.org> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Ian Clarke >>>>> Founder, The Freenet Project >>>>> Email: i...@freenet.org <i...@freenetproject.org> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ian Clarke >>> Founder, The Freenet Project >>> Email: i...@freenet.org <i...@freenetproject.org> >>> >> > > -- > Ian Clarke > Founder, The Freenet Project > Email: i...@freenet.org <i...@freenetproject.org> >
