On 19 Feb 2016 at 15:20:09, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
([email protected](mailto:[email protected])) wrote:
> Hi Vincent,
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 10:19 PM, [email protected]
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Caty,
> >
> > On 17 Feb 2016 at 17:44:56, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) ([email protected]
> > (mailto:[email protected])) wrote:
> >
> > > Fixed the links
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> > > [email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > This proposal wants to improve the current download page layout found
> > at
> > > > http://enterprise.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Download
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The proposal is here:
> > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/
> > > >
> > > > bin/view/Proposal/
> > > >
> > > > XWikiOrgDownload2Layout
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The proposal splits the current information into multiple pages
> > (version,
> > > > type). Make sure you read the "Changes" section from the proposal.
> > > >
> > > > Let me know what you think.
> >
> > I really like the new Download page (LTS, Stable, Dev). Much nicer and
> > cleaner than the current version! :)
> >
> > However I’m not sure about the second download page with the Local,
> > Server, Debian boxes. There are several issues for me:
> > * The Local packagings can be used on a server
> > * The server packagings can be used locally
> > * The Debian packaging can be used both locally and on a server
> >
>
> So currently the documentation pages use terms like "Standalone
> distribution" and "WAR package". For me these naming are not user-friendly
> and I might not know what the acronym stands for or what standalone means.
> That's why I suggested Local and Server, since they are more simplistic but
> yes maybe they are not truly correct. Maybe we can iterate more on the
> naming but we need an improvement here since we want to encourage "local"
> testing even for not so technical users/administrators.
I understand what you wanted but indeed I find the new terms even more
confusing :)
For me we should think in term of “Using XWiki”. To use XWiki the user has 2
choices:
A) Download and install it locally (wherever he’s installing the download from,
could be a laptop, could be a server machine, etc). This is usually referred as
“on premises” by comparison to using it as a service (cloud, saas, etc).
B) Use it as a service.
For A) the options we have are:
* Demo packagings: those are the options from
http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/InstallationStandalone.
They include a pre-installed HSQLDB Database and a Jetty container Specifically
the following installers/packagings:
** the EXE packaging,
** the ZIP packaging,
** the JAR packaging
* Production-level packagings:
** Debian packaging (all in one installation that includes MySQL and Tomcat)
** The WAR (the user needs to install both a Servlet Container and a Database
and deploy the WAR in the Servlet Container)
* Other packagings/setup that are not supported by the XWiki Core Dev Team:
** tutorials
** yaourt packaging
For B) the options we have are:
* Demo on playground.xwiki.org
* myxwiki.org for non-profit organizations and individuals. Free but no
warranties in term of uptime or support. Used as a real-world test platform by
the XWiki Core Dev Team to test the latest versions of XWiki.
* Cloud and Hosting offers from companies helping develop the XWiki open source
project (the companies listed at
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Support#HProfessionalSupport and
defined by the xwiki.org governance at
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Governance):
** From XWiki SAS: XCS (http://info.xwiki.com/xcs-demo-request.html) or
dedicated hosting (http://www.xwiki.com/en/services/hosting)
** From Softec or EsPresto AG: link to their web sites
It would be nice that a user wants to use XWiki he lands on a page showing the
2 options: install on premises and hosting/cloud solutions. Then he can drill
down and if he wants to install on premises, be able to select from the various
download options.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
> > * Server is not a good differentiator since XWiki is a Server app even if
> > you install it locally ;)
> > * BTW it’s misising the other tutorials and other packagings (the yaourt
> > one for example)
> >
>
> To be honest I didn't know what you were referring to until I found
> http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Installation#HUsingyaourtonArchLinux
> When I did the re-design I took the information from the Download page and
> the "yaourt" one is missing.
> In order to fix this we could modify the third column called now "Debian
> Installation" into a other operating systems ways of installing ( or
> another name ) and list there links towards the Debian and Arch Linux
> install documentation.
>
>
> > * And even more important it’s also missing Cloud solutions. I’d really
> > like if we could list the various cloud solutions offered by companies
> > participating to the xwiki development (and possibly list myxwiki.org too
> > but if we list it, we need to put visible disclaimer since it’s a test farm
> > with no warranties and for non-business/personal projects only).
> >
>
> IMO this should be a total different page, let's call it "Test Drive XWiki"
> or "Try XWiki" or "Evaluate XWiki" that could showcase Playground, MyXWiki
> and other Cloud solutions, but this should be part of a different proposal
> than the Download page (which lists versions and install methods).
> Currently I didn't tackled this proposal yet.
>
>
> >
> > So maybe we shouldn’t discriminate between Local, Server, Debian but maybe
> > instead between “On-Premises” and “Cloud”, WDYT?
> >
>
> I'm not sure what "On Premises" means although I know it's an used term,
> but I don't find it very clear and not sure if it describes well the zip,
> war, etc. options.
>
> The problem is that we list the "Local, Server, Debian" install options
> after you selected the version you want to download. So I find it a bit odd
> for an user to be convinced that he wants to download XWiki, select his
> version and then be presented with the Cloud Solutions. Cloud solutions
> should be part of an evaluation step, before and independent of the
> download step.
>
> Thanks,
> Caty
>
>
> > Thanks
> > -Vincent
> >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Caty
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