I prefer "Demo" Thanks, Caty
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 11:22 AM, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On 22 Feb 2016 at 15:27:04, [email protected] ([email protected](mailto: > [email protected])) wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 19 Feb 2016 at 15:20:09, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) ([email protected] > (mailto:[email protected])) wrote: > > > > > Hi Vincent, > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 10:19 PM, [email protected] > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Caty, > > > > > > > > On 17 Feb 2016 at 17:44:56, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) ( > [email protected] > > > > (mailto:[email protected])) wrote: > > > > > > > > > Fixed the links > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > This proposal wants to improve the current download page layout > found > > > > at > > > > > > http://enterprise.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Download > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The proposal is here: > > > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/ > > > > > > > > > > > > bin/view/Proposal/ > > > > > > > > > > > > XWikiOrgDownload2Layout > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The proposal splits the current information into multiple pages > > > > (version, > > > > > > type). Make sure you read the "Changes" section from the > proposal. > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me know what you think. > > > > > > > > I really like the new Download page (LTS, Stable, Dev). Much nicer > and > > > > cleaner than the current version! :) > > > > > > > > However I’m not sure about the second download page with the Local, > > > > Server, Debian boxes. There are several issues for me: > > > > * The Local packagings can be used on a server > > > > * The server packagings can be used locally > > > > * The Debian packaging can be used both locally and on a server > > > > > > > > > > So currently the documentation pages use terms like "Standalone > > > distribution" and "WAR package". For me these naming are not > user-friendly > > > and I might not know what the acronym stands for or what standalone > means. > > > That's why I suggested Local and Server, since they are more > simplistic but > > > yes maybe they are not truly correct. Maybe we can iterate more on the > > > naming but we need an improvement here since we want to encourage > "local" > > > testing even for not so technical users/administrators. > > > > I understand what you wanted but indeed I find the new terms even more > confusing :) > > > > For me we should think in term of “Using XWiki”. To use XWiki the user > has 2 choices: > > > > A) Download and install it locally (wherever he’s installing the > download from, could be a laptop, could be a server machine, etc). This is > usually referred as “on premises” by comparison to using it as a service > (cloud, saas, etc). > > > > B) Use it as a service. > > > > For A) the options we have are: > > * Demo packagings: those are the options from > http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/InstallationStandalone. > They include a pre-installed HSQLDB Database and a Jetty container > Specifically the following installers/packagings: > > ** the EXE packaging, > > ** the ZIP packaging, > > ** the JAR packaging > > FWIW Denis suggested the name “Personal packagings”. So we have 2 options > so far: > - Demo packagings (clearly shows they not for production) > - Personal packagings (hints that they are for personal use only, ie > single user wiki) > > I think I prefer Demo. WDYT? > > Thanks > -Vincent > > > * Production-level packagings: > > ** Debian packaging (all in one installation that includes MySQL and > Tomcat) > > ** The WAR (the user needs to install both a Servlet Container and a > Database and deploy the WAR in the Servlet Container) > > * Other packagings/setup that are not supported by the XWiki Core Dev > Team: > > ** tutorials > > ** yaourt packaging > > > > For B) the options we have are: > > * Demo on playground.xwiki.org(http://playground.xwiki.org) > > * myxwiki.org(http://myxwiki.org) for non-profit organizations and > individuals. Free but no warranties in term of uptime or support. Used as a > real-world test platform by the XWiki Core Dev Team to test the latest > versions of XWiki. > > * Cloud and Hosting offers from companies helping develop the XWiki open > source project (the companies listed at > http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Support#HProfessionalSupport and > defined by the xwiki.org(http://xwiki.org) governance at > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Governance): > > ** From XWiki SAS: XCS (http://info.xwiki.com/xcs-demo-request.html) or > dedicated hosting (http://www.xwiki.com/en/services/hosting) > > ** From Softec or EsPresto AG: link to their web sites > > > > It would be nice that a user wants to use XWiki he lands on a page > showing the 2 options: install on premises and hosting/cloud solutions. > Then he can drill down and if he wants to install on premises, be able to > select from the various download options. > > > > WDYT? > > > > Thanks > > -Vincent > > > > > > > > * Server is not a good differentiator since XWiki is a Server app > even if > > > > you install it locally ;) > > > > * BTW it’s misising the other tutorials and other packagings (the > yaourt > > > > one for example) > > > > > > > > > > To be honest I didn't know what you were referring to until I found > > > > http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Installation#HUsingyaourtonArchLinux > > > When I did the re-design I took the information from the Download page > and > > > the "yaourt" one is missing. > > > In order to fix this we could modify the third column called now > "Debian > > > Installation" into a other operating systems ways of installing ( or > > > another name ) and list there links towards the Debian and Arch Linux > > > install documentation. > > > > > > > > > > * And even more important it’s also missing Cloud solutions. I’d > really > > > > like if we could list the various cloud solutions offered by > companies > > > > participating to the xwiki development (and possibly list > myxwiki.org too > > > > but if we list it, we need to put visible disclaimer since it’s a > test farm > > > > with no warranties and for non-business/personal projects only). > > > > > > > > > > IMO this should be a total different page, let's call it "Test Drive > XWiki" > > > or "Try XWiki" or "Evaluate XWiki" that could showcase Playground, > MyXWiki > > > and other Cloud solutions, but this should be part of a different > proposal > > > than the Download page (which lists versions and install methods). > > > Currently I didn't tackled this proposal yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So maybe we shouldn’t discriminate between Local, Server, Debian but > maybe > > > > instead between “On-Premises” and “Cloud”, WDYT? > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure what "On Premises" means although I know it's an used > term, > > > but I don't find it very clear and not sure if it describes well the > zip, > > > war, etc. options. > > > > > > The problem is that we list the "Local, Server, Debian" install options > > > after you selected the version you want to download. So I find it a > bit odd > > > for an user to be convinced that he wants to download XWiki, select his > > > version and then be presented with the Cloud Solutions. Cloud solutions > > > should be part of an evaluation step, before and independent of the > > > download step. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Caty > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > -Vincent > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Caty > > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
