On 22 Feb 2016 at 15:27:04, [email protected]
([email protected](mailto:[email protected])) wrote:
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>
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> On 19 Feb 2016 at 15:20:09, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
> ([email protected](mailto:[email protected])) wrote:
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> > Hi Vincent,
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 10:19 PM, [email protected]
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Caty,
> > >
> > > On 17 Feb 2016 at 17:44:56, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) ([email protected]
> > > (mailto:[email protected])) wrote:
> > >
> > > > Fixed the links
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> > > > [email protected]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > This proposal wants to improve the current download page layout found
> > > at
> > > > > http://enterprise.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Download
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The proposal is here:
> > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/
> > > > >
> > > > > bin/view/Proposal/
> > > > >
> > > > > XWikiOrgDownload2Layout
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The proposal splits the current information into multiple pages
> > > (version,
> > > > > type). Make sure you read the "Changes" section from the proposal.
> > > > >
> > > > > Let me know what you think.
> > >
> > > I really like the new Download page (LTS, Stable, Dev). Much nicer and
> > > cleaner than the current version! :)
> > >
> > > However I’m not sure about the second download page with the Local,
> > > Server, Debian boxes. There are several issues for me:
> > > * The Local packagings can be used on a server
> > > * The server packagings can be used locally
> > > * The Debian packaging can be used both locally and on a server
> > >
> >
> > So currently the documentation pages use terms like "Standalone
> > distribution" and "WAR package". For me these naming are not user-friendly
> > and I might not know what the acronym stands for or what standalone means.
> > That's why I suggested Local and Server, since they are more simplistic but
> > yes maybe they are not truly correct. Maybe we can iterate more on the
> > naming but we need an improvement here since we want to encourage "local"
> > testing even for not so technical users/administrators.
>
> I understand what you wanted but indeed I find the new terms even more
> confusing :)
>
> For me we should think in term of “Using XWiki”. To use XWiki the user has 2
> choices:
>
> A) Download and install it locally (wherever he’s installing the download
> from, could be a laptop, could be a server machine, etc). This is usually
> referred as “on premises” by comparison to using it as a service (cloud,
> saas, etc).
>
> B) Use it as a service.
>
> For A) the options we have are:
> * Demo packagings: those are the options from
> http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/InstallationStandalone.
> They include a pre-installed HSQLDB Database and a Jetty container
> Specifically the following installers/packagings:
> ** the EXE packaging,
> ** the ZIP packaging,
> ** the JAR packaging
FWIW Denis suggested the name “Personal packagings”. So we have 2 options so
far:
- Demo packagings (clearly shows they not for production)
- Personal packagings (hints that they are for personal use only, ie single
user wiki)
I think I prefer Demo. WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
> * Production-level packagings:
> ** Debian packaging (all in one installation that includes MySQL and Tomcat)
> ** The WAR (the user needs to install both a Servlet Container and a Database
> and deploy the WAR in the Servlet Container)
> * Other packagings/setup that are not supported by the XWiki Core Dev Team:
> ** tutorials
> ** yaourt packaging
>
> For B) the options we have are:
> * Demo on playground.xwiki.org(http://playground.xwiki.org)
> * myxwiki.org(http://myxwiki.org) for non-profit organizations and
> individuals. Free but no warranties in term of uptime or support. Used as a
> real-world test platform by the XWiki Core Dev Team to test the latest
> versions of XWiki.
> * Cloud and Hosting offers from companies helping develop the XWiki open
> source project (the companies listed at
> http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Support#HProfessionalSupport and
> defined by the xwiki.org(http://xwiki.org) governance at
> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Governance):
> ** From XWiki SAS: XCS (http://info.xwiki.com/xcs-demo-request.html) or
> dedicated hosting (http://www.xwiki.com/en/services/hosting)
> ** From Softec or EsPresto AG: link to their web sites
>
> It would be nice that a user wants to use XWiki he lands on a page showing
> the 2 options: install on premises and hosting/cloud solutions. Then he can
> drill down and if he wants to install on premises, be able to select from the
> various download options.
>
> WDYT?
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>
> > > * Server is not a good differentiator since XWiki is a Server app even if
> > > you install it locally ;)
> > > * BTW it’s misising the other tutorials and other packagings (the yaourt
> > > one for example)
> > >
> >
> > To be honest I didn't know what you were referring to until I found
> > http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Installation#HUsingyaourtonArchLinux
> > When I did the re-design I took the information from the Download page and
> > the "yaourt" one is missing.
> > In order to fix this we could modify the third column called now "Debian
> > Installation" into a other operating systems ways of installing ( or
> > another name ) and list there links towards the Debian and Arch Linux
> > install documentation.
> >
> >
> > > * And even more important it’s also missing Cloud solutions. I’d really
> > > like if we could list the various cloud solutions offered by companies
> > > participating to the xwiki development (and possibly list myxwiki.org too
> > > but if we list it, we need to put visible disclaimer since it’s a test
> > > farm
> > > with no warranties and for non-business/personal projects only).
> > >
> >
> > IMO this should be a total different page, let's call it "Test Drive XWiki"
> > or "Try XWiki" or "Evaluate XWiki" that could showcase Playground, MyXWiki
> > and other Cloud solutions, but this should be part of a different proposal
> > than the Download page (which lists versions and install methods).
> > Currently I didn't tackled this proposal yet.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > So maybe we shouldn’t discriminate between Local, Server, Debian but maybe
> > > instead between “On-Premises” and “Cloud”, WDYT?
> > >
> >
> > I'm not sure what "On Premises" means although I know it's an used term,
> > but I don't find it very clear and not sure if it describes well the zip,
> > war, etc. options.
> >
> > The problem is that we list the "Local, Server, Debian" install options
> > after you selected the version you want to download. So I find it a bit odd
> > for an user to be convinced that he wants to download XWiki, select his
> > version and then be presented with the Cloud Solutions. Cloud solutions
> > should be part of an evaluation step, before and independent of the
> > download step.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Caty
> >
> >
> > > Thanks
> > > -Vincent
> > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Caty
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