Iteration 2: http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/XWikiOrgDownload2Layout#HIteration2
Changes: - Separated in 'Demo Installation' and 'Production Installation' - Listing separated 'Installation notes' and 'Download' button for each option Regarding 'Demo'/'Production' terms, Eduard mentioned also: - 'Small Installation' - 'Larger Production Installation' - 'Ready to use bundle' Let me know what you think. Thanks, Caty On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < [email protected]> wrote: > I prefer "Demo" > > Thanks, > Caty > > On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 11:22 AM, [email protected] <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> On 22 Feb 2016 at 15:27:04, [email protected] ([email protected] >> (mailto:[email protected])) wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > >> > On 19 Feb 2016 at 15:20:09, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) ( >> [email protected](mailto:[email protected])) wrote: >> > >> > > Hi Vincent, >> > > >> > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 10:19 PM, [email protected] >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > > Hi Caty, >> > > > >> > > > On 17 Feb 2016 at 17:44:56, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) ( >> [email protected] >> > > > (mailto:[email protected])) wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > Fixed the links >> > > > > >> > > > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >> > > > > [email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > > Hi, >> > > > > > >> > > > > > This proposal wants to improve the current download page layout >> found >> > > > at >> > > > > > http://enterprise.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Download >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > The proposal is here: >> > > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/ >> > > > > > >> > > > > > bin/view/Proposal/ >> > > > > > >> > > > > > XWikiOrgDownload2Layout >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > The proposal splits the current information into multiple pages >> > > > (version, >> > > > > > type). Make sure you read the "Changes" section from the >> proposal. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Let me know what you think. >> > > > >> > > > I really like the new Download page (LTS, Stable, Dev). Much nicer >> and >> > > > cleaner than the current version! :) >> > > > >> > > > However I’m not sure about the second download page with the Local, >> > > > Server, Debian boxes. There are several issues for me: >> > > > * The Local packagings can be used on a server >> > > > * The server packagings can be used locally >> > > > * The Debian packaging can be used both locally and on a server >> > > > >> > > >> > > So currently the documentation pages use terms like "Standalone >> > > distribution" and "WAR package". For me these naming are not >> user-friendly >> > > and I might not know what the acronym stands for or what standalone >> means. >> > > That's why I suggested Local and Server, since they are more >> simplistic but >> > > yes maybe they are not truly correct. Maybe we can iterate more on the >> > > naming but we need an improvement here since we want to encourage >> "local" >> > > testing even for not so technical users/administrators. >> > >> > I understand what you wanted but indeed I find the new terms even more >> confusing :) >> > >> > For me we should think in term of “Using XWiki”. To use XWiki the user >> has 2 choices: >> > >> > A) Download and install it locally (wherever he’s installing the >> download from, could be a laptop, could be a server machine, etc). This is >> usually referred as “on premises” by comparison to using it as a service >> (cloud, saas, etc). >> > >> > B) Use it as a service. >> > >> > For A) the options we have are: >> > * Demo packagings: those are the options from >> http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/InstallationStandalone. >> They include a pre-installed HSQLDB Database and a Jetty container >> Specifically the following installers/packagings: >> > ** the EXE packaging, >> > ** the ZIP packaging, >> > ** the JAR packaging >> >> FWIW Denis suggested the name “Personal packagings”. So we have 2 options >> so far: >> - Demo packagings (clearly shows they not for production) >> - Personal packagings (hints that they are for personal use only, ie >> single user wiki) >> >> I think I prefer Demo. WDYT? >> >> Thanks >> -Vincent >> >> > * Production-level packagings: >> > ** Debian packaging (all in one installation that includes MySQL and >> Tomcat) >> > ** The WAR (the user needs to install both a Servlet Container and a >> Database and deploy the WAR in the Servlet Container) >> > * Other packagings/setup that are not supported by the XWiki Core Dev >> Team: >> > ** tutorials >> > ** yaourt packaging >> > >> > For B) the options we have are: >> > * Demo on playground.xwiki.org(http://playground.xwiki.org) >> > * myxwiki.org(http://myxwiki.org) for non-profit organizations and >> individuals. Free but no warranties in term of uptime or support. Used as a >> real-world test platform by the XWiki Core Dev Team to test the latest >> versions of XWiki. >> > * Cloud and Hosting offers from companies helping develop the XWiki >> open source project (the companies listed at >> http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Support#HProfessionalSupport >> and defined by the xwiki.org(http://xwiki.org) governance at >> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Governance): >> > ** From XWiki SAS: XCS (http://info.xwiki.com/xcs-demo-request.html) >> or dedicated hosting (http://www.xwiki.com/en/services/hosting) >> > ** From Softec or EsPresto AG: link to their web sites >> > >> > It would be nice that a user wants to use XWiki he lands on a page >> showing the 2 options: install on premises and hosting/cloud solutions. >> Then he can drill down and if he wants to install on premises, be able to >> select from the various download options. >> > >> > WDYT? >> > >> > Thanks >> > -Vincent >> > >> > >> > > > * Server is not a good differentiator since XWiki is a Server app >> even if >> > > > you install it locally ;) >> > > > * BTW it’s misising the other tutorials and other packagings (the >> yaourt >> > > > one for example) >> > > > >> > > >> > > To be honest I didn't know what you were referring to until I found >> > > >> http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Installation#HUsingyaourtonArchLinux >> > > When I did the re-design I took the information from the Download >> page and >> > > the "yaourt" one is missing. >> > > In order to fix this we could modify the third column called now >> "Debian >> > > Installation" into a other operating systems ways of installing ( or >> > > another name ) and list there links towards the Debian and Arch Linux >> > > install documentation. >> > > >> > > >> > > > * And even more important it’s also missing Cloud solutions. I’d >> really >> > > > like if we could list the various cloud solutions offered by >> companies >> > > > participating to the xwiki development (and possibly list >> myxwiki.org too >> > > > but if we list it, we need to put visible disclaimer since it’s a >> test farm >> > > > with no warranties and for non-business/personal projects only). >> > > > >> > > >> > > IMO this should be a total different page, let's call it "Test Drive >> XWiki" >> > > or "Try XWiki" or "Evaluate XWiki" that could showcase Playground, >> MyXWiki >> > > and other Cloud solutions, but this should be part of a different >> proposal >> > > than the Download page (which lists versions and install methods). >> > > Currently I didn't tackled this proposal yet. >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > So maybe we shouldn’t discriminate between Local, Server, Debian >> but maybe >> > > > instead between “On-Premises” and “Cloud”, WDYT? >> > > > >> > > >> > > I'm not sure what "On Premises" means although I know it's an used >> term, >> > > but I don't find it very clear and not sure if it describes well the >> zip, >> > > war, etc. options. >> > > >> > > The problem is that we list the "Local, Server, Debian" install >> options >> > > after you selected the version you want to download. So I find it a >> bit odd >> > > for an user to be convinced that he wants to download XWiki, select >> his >> > > version and then be presented with the Cloud Solutions. Cloud >> solutions >> > > should be part of an evaluation step, before and independent of the >> > > download step. >> > > >> > > Thanks, >> > > Caty >> > > >> > > >> > > > Thanks >> > > > -Vincent >> > > > >> > > > > > Thanks, >> > > > > > Caty >> >> _______________________________________________ >> devs mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
