> On 09 Mar 2016, at 18:46, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> wrote: > > Iteration 2: > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/XWikiOrgDownload2Layout#HIteration2 > > Changes: > - Separated in 'Demo Installation' and 'Production Installation' > - Listing separated 'Installation notes' and 'Download' button for each > option > > Regarding 'Demo'/'Production' terms, Eduard mentioned also: > - 'Small Installation' - 'Larger Production Installation' > - 'Ready to use bundle' > > Let me know what you think.
Sounds good. Some comments (I already gave most of them already in the past FTR): * WAR file for Container —> WAR file for Servlet Container * A database also needs to be set up and configured -> A database and a Servlet Container need to be set up and configured * Graphical installer —> Graphical Installer for All Platforms * Graphical Windows native installer —> Graphical Installer for Windows * Standalone package -> ZIP Package (we’re now calling them Demo packagings) * “use the ZIP distribution” —> “use the ZIP packaging” * “includes a Jetty container” —> “includes a Jetty Servlet Container” or “Jetty Server” * The 3 demo packagings ALL include a Jetty server + HSQLDB database. The way it’s described make it sound like only the ZIP packaging does. This needs to be fixed. * The reason for the ZIP package is not exactly what is mentioned; it’s for users who don’t want/need to use a Graphical Installer. * The explanation below that starts “If you’re a first time…” is wrong. It should just say: “These Demo packages are not supposed to be used in production, since the embedded database does not support large wikis efficiently and is not tuned for a production usage.” * “Default set of wiki pages”. Should be removed since we don’t want to encourage this now (we offer a DW). Instead we should have a link for “other packagings” and point to the various tutorials + yaourt-, and include the wiki pages there in case someone needs them. * The text below Production install should also be modified to remove the mention of wiki pages. Thanks -Vincent > Thanks, > Caty > > > On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I prefer "Demo" >> >> Thanks, >> Caty >> >> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 11:22 AM, [email protected] <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 22 Feb 2016 at 15:27:04, [email protected] ([email protected] >>> (mailto:[email protected])) wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 19 Feb 2016 at 15:20:09, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) ( >>> [email protected](mailto:[email protected])) wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Vincent, >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 10:19 PM, [email protected] >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Caty, >>>>>> >>>>>> On 17 Feb 2016 at 17:44:56, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) ( >>> [email protected] >>>>>> (mailto:[email protected])) wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Fixed the links >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This proposal wants to improve the current download page layout >>> found >>>>>> at >>>>>>>> http://enterprise.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Download >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The proposal is here: >>>>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> bin/view/Proposal/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> XWikiOrgDownload2Layout >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The proposal splits the current information into multiple pages >>>>>> (version, >>>>>>>> type). Make sure you read the "Changes" section from the >>> proposal. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Let me know what you think. >>>>>> >>>>>> I really like the new Download page (LTS, Stable, Dev). Much nicer >>> and >>>>>> cleaner than the current version! :) >>>>>> >>>>>> However I’m not sure about the second download page with the Local, >>>>>> Server, Debian boxes. There are several issues for me: >>>>>> * The Local packagings can be used on a server >>>>>> * The server packagings can be used locally >>>>>> * The Debian packaging can be used both locally and on a server >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So currently the documentation pages use terms like "Standalone >>>>> distribution" and "WAR package". For me these naming are not >>> user-friendly >>>>> and I might not know what the acronym stands for or what standalone >>> means. >>>>> That's why I suggested Local and Server, since they are more >>> simplistic but >>>>> yes maybe they are not truly correct. Maybe we can iterate more on the >>>>> naming but we need an improvement here since we want to encourage >>> "local" >>>>> testing even for not so technical users/administrators. >>>> >>>> I understand what you wanted but indeed I find the new terms even more >>> confusing :) >>>> >>>> For me we should think in term of “Using XWiki”. To use XWiki the user >>> has 2 choices: >>>> >>>> A) Download and install it locally (wherever he’s installing the >>> download from, could be a laptop, could be a server machine, etc). This is >>> usually referred as “on premises” by comparison to using it as a service >>> (cloud, saas, etc). >>>> >>>> B) Use it as a service. >>>> >>>> For A) the options we have are: >>>> * Demo packagings: those are the options from >>> http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/InstallationStandalone. >>> They include a pre-installed HSQLDB Database and a Jetty container >>> Specifically the following installers/packagings: >>>> ** the EXE packaging, >>>> ** the ZIP packaging, >>>> ** the JAR packaging >>> >>> FWIW Denis suggested the name “Personal packagings”. So we have 2 options >>> so far: >>> - Demo packagings (clearly shows they not for production) >>> - Personal packagings (hints that they are for personal use only, ie >>> single user wiki) >>> >>> I think I prefer Demo. WDYT? >>> >>> Thanks >>> -Vincent >>> >>>> * Production-level packagings: >>>> ** Debian packaging (all in one installation that includes MySQL and >>> Tomcat) >>>> ** The WAR (the user needs to install both a Servlet Container and a >>> Database and deploy the WAR in the Servlet Container) >>>> * Other packagings/setup that are not supported by the XWiki Core Dev >>> Team: >>>> ** tutorials >>>> ** yaourt packaging >>>> >>>> For B) the options we have are: >>>> * Demo on playground.xwiki.org(http://playground.xwiki.org) >>>> * myxwiki.org(http://myxwiki.org) for non-profit organizations and >>> individuals. Free but no warranties in term of uptime or support. Used as a >>> real-world test platform by the XWiki Core Dev Team to test the latest >>> versions of XWiki. >>>> * Cloud and Hosting offers from companies helping develop the XWiki >>> open source project (the companies listed at >>> http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Support#HProfessionalSupport >>> and defined by the xwiki.org(http://xwiki.org) governance at >>> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Governance): >>>> ** From XWiki SAS: XCS (http://info.xwiki.com/xcs-demo-request.html) >>> or dedicated hosting (http://www.xwiki.com/en/services/hosting) >>>> ** From Softec or EsPresto AG: link to their web sites >>>> >>>> It would be nice that a user wants to use XWiki he lands on a page >>> showing the 2 options: install on premises and hosting/cloud solutions. >>> Then he can drill down and if he wants to install on premises, be able to >>> select from the various download options. >>>> >>>> WDYT? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> -Vincent >>>> >>>> >>>>>> * Server is not a good differentiator since XWiki is a Server app >>> even if >>>>>> you install it locally ;) >>>>>> * BTW it’s misising the other tutorials and other packagings (the >>> yaourt >>>>>> one for example) >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To be honest I didn't know what you were referring to until I found >>>>> >>> http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Installation#HUsingyaourtonArchLinux >>>>> When I did the re-design I took the information from the Download >>> page and >>>>> the "yaourt" one is missing. >>>>> In order to fix this we could modify the third column called now >>> "Debian >>>>> Installation" into a other operating systems ways of installing ( or >>>>> another name ) and list there links towards the Debian and Arch Linux >>>>> install documentation. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> * And even more important it’s also missing Cloud solutions. I’d >>> really >>>>>> like if we could list the various cloud solutions offered by >>> companies >>>>>> participating to the xwiki development (and possibly list >>> myxwiki.org too >>>>>> but if we list it, we need to put visible disclaimer since it’s a >>> test farm >>>>>> with no warranties and for non-business/personal projects only). >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> IMO this should be a total different page, let's call it "Test Drive >>> XWiki" >>>>> or "Try XWiki" or "Evaluate XWiki" that could showcase Playground, >>> MyXWiki >>>>> and other Cloud solutions, but this should be part of a different >>> proposal >>>>> than the Download page (which lists versions and install methods). >>>>> Currently I didn't tackled this proposal yet. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> So maybe we shouldn’t discriminate between Local, Server, Debian >>> but maybe >>>>>> instead between “On-Premises” and “Cloud”, WDYT? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm not sure what "On Premises" means although I know it's an used >>> term, >>>>> but I don't find it very clear and not sure if it describes well the >>> zip, >>>>> war, etc. options. >>>>> >>>>> The problem is that we list the "Local, Server, Debian" install >>> options >>>>> after you selected the version you want to download. So I find it a >>> bit odd >>>>> for an user to be convinced that he wants to download XWiki, select >>> his >>>>> version and then be presented with the Cloud Solutions. Cloud >>> solutions >>>>> should be part of an evaluation step, before and independent of the >>>>> download step. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Caty >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Caty >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> devs mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
