Hey. I know, I pop in rather random…but i just felt i needed to put my cent here.
First, I share many of your opinions, but I have a few other views. GNUstep is indeed a nice project, and it might have chased its own tail…but that was, because some important concepts werent done right; Try to redistribute a GNUstep app. Its impossible. That is why, when I tried to make an OS X port of gnustep so the API could be compared better, i wanted to build essentially EVERYTHING as a static library. That way, the resulting binaries would have everything they needed. I do belive that, if some work and major refactoring was done, GNUstep could try again. In fact, I was thinking about a way to fork and modify GNUstep myself to change it quite some. For one, I wanted to make redistributing easier. Second, I wanted to turn it into a portable toolchain - so I could embed it into my package manger that also isntalls from source - so the toolchain would have been the same across each OS. And then there is also the issue that GNUstep has a heavy lot of dependencies - so unless itwas made all static, it wouldnt be possible to redistribute a single binary, without distributing anything else from GNUstep. Honestly, I hope that GNUstep can find a way to raise again. The idea is really great, and its not only because I love Objective-C++ xD. Giving the site a redesign might being a bit of reshness into its place… but what GNUstep needs, would be a new advertising. Like, the SDK I am almost done developing advertises that its ultra easy to use, and brings native API into a browser. In fact - I am binding nodejs and CEF so tight together, that it is still customizable, but offers unique API. But aside with that… x3. Originally, I wanted to develop Deskshell completely in Objective-C++…but then, the dependency load came up. Honestly though, I have not seen elementaryOS yet, but I would try it. Simply because I love trying out new things. But GNUstep doesnt really sound like an OS - and afaik, its not either x3. I would list the ideas I had in more detail here, but thats not the right place to do so. Basically, I just want to express that I hope that GNUstep can make its way into a userbase, that enjoys to rely on it and using it. Just my cents ont hat … kind regards, Ingwie~ Am So. Feb. 09 2014 20:41:42 schrieb James Jordan: > This discussion would be absolutely hilarious if it were not so sad. To call > elementaryOS a rip-off of OS x is a bit of the pot calling the kettle, > GNUstep started life as an almost pixel-for-pixel copy of NeXTStep 4.2. > elementaryOS is a very usable and viable operating system which is also easy > to extend and customize. It has quickly become my choice of OS, as I would > much rather build up to my desired state than need to remove a bunch of > useless resource hogging garbage. It is well thought out and extremely > attractive in its default incarnation. The way an operating system looks is > important to me or I would never have had an interest in GNUstep. I have 4 > Mac computers and all but one of them are running elementaryOS, with > best-of-class software including LibreOffice, FireFox, Gimp and Acrobat. The > systems boot in 15 seconds and each of those rather large programs starts in > 2 seconds or less. I have a wide selection of Gnome and GTK applications to > choose from that are actually USABLE. > > GNUstep is not an OS, it is not even a desktop! GNUstep is a nearly useless > framework that NO-ONE uses for productive work on a day-to-day basis. The > developers dedicate their time to developing new back-ends (what is it now 5 > or 6, none of which actually work well), and chasing esoteric OS X > capabilities which invariably break the few, very few, GNUstep applications > that almost work. Look through the archives; time and again the "developers" > admit that they DO NOT use GNUstep for anything except possibly developing > GNUstep. > > A new look for the website is NOT going to make any difference! GNUstep is > dead and has been for a very long time. Who is going to load a massive set > of libraries that do not even conform to modern filesystem standards, try to > figure out how to source an environment, locate some applications pretending > to be folders in /opt/GNUstep/system/applications (or wherever they are > located) just to play with a couple of programs that halfway work. > > Riccardo, Phillipe you guys have worked hard to make GNUstep actually usable! > You both should find a project where your talents and hard work can be > appreciated, a project that has a user base bigger than ZERO. > > GNUstep could have been THE Linux desktop and should be the alternative to OS > X for people who actually have a brain but it has been chasing its own tail > for so long (nearly 20 years now) there is no hope that it will ever amount > to anything. Users have GOT to drive application development and application > development has GOT to drive core development. That does not work for > GNUstep because there are no users and core developers have always tried to > force application developers to adjust to their whims resulting in all of the > good application developers giving up and moving on. > > Goodbye GNUstep, you could have been great. > > J. Jordan > Long time hopeful that GNUstep would amount to something. > _______________________________________________ > Discuss-gnustep mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnustep _______________________________________________ Discuss-gnustep mailing list [email protected] https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnustep
