Yeah, I totally got the LV reference and liked it a lot for the exact reason that Kevin just mentioned. As someone who partially grew up in China, I associate LVs with this crazy counterfeit market in Shanghai where they make goods that are actually better quality than the real brand stuff for way, way cheaper. Free Fashion ftw.
I'm not trying to make anyone do any extra work! And I certainly am not significantly upset about the background. Although I use only Ubuntu, I too am not a purist in that I think it's far more important for good people to run bad software if they are going to use it to make cool stuff. The only reason why Ubuntu is an option for me is because I never do any video/audio editing and I am trying my best not to play any video games. If any of those things became a necessity, I'd probably have to dual-boot at the very least. That said, maybe if I have time tonight (in my cabin with wifi) I'll fire up ol' GIMPy and see what I can't come up with a few alternative designs. Thanks for the discussion, everyone! Christina On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:26 AM, Kevin Driscoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > My classmate is writing a thesis about counterfeit luxury goods right > now. It is completely fascinating and was definitely on my mind way > back in the spring when we made that image. There's a whole different > set of ethics, standards, practices, and expectations among consumers > of brands like LV, Coach, Chanel, etc. > > I can't locate a link right now but there are large communities of > people who discuss the best fakes on messageboards and listservs, > collaborating on large databases of otherwise disparate information. > For example, they can identify which factories in southeast Asia > produce the closest approximation of a Kate Spade purse or pair of > Gucci shades. I think rocking the fakes purposefully has a curious > rupturing effect on brand stability. On one hand, the brand emerges > more powerful as it multiplies. But on another, the parent corporation > can't simply price undesirable people out of participation so > consumers/fans are able to usurp/guide the future of the brand. > > Definitely a rich topic for any free culture researcher to dig into. > > > The background of this website has proved a surprisingly verdant > conversation piece! :) > > Kevin > > > On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 2:16 AM, Dean Jansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm sure this doesn't make it any better (or maybe it does?!), but > > it's a parody of the Luis Vuitton handbag print: > > http://tinyurl.com/5tcm8l > > > > Can we just treat it as one deliciously big chunk of irony? We all > > know the Apple motto should be "What Copy/Paste?" > > http://tinyurl.com/63cr2f > > > > --Dean > > > > On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 1:40 AM, Kevin Driscoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> I'm not willing to change the background myself only because it seems > >> really low on my conference-prep priority list. I'm open to changing > >> it if someone else does the lion's share of the work and it works with > >> the design we have going. Sorry to be inflexible, there's just a ton > >> to do. > >> > >> Starting another thread re: #2. Another pet peeve of mine. > >> > >> Kevin > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Christina Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >>> 1) Fred: Thanks for pulling up that Wikipedia article! Yeah, it would > be > >>> cool to reappropriate the St. John's Cross for our purposes, but I'm > kind of > >>> questioning if this is going to do it. In this context, it is > definitely > >>> going to be read as the Apple command icon, not anything else. > >>> > >>> 2) Kevin: I feel you on where you're coming from with this. As a > no-time Mac > >>> user and full-time Ubuntu-on-a-PC user, I guess it threw me off because > I'm > >>> so used to my ctrl key. If you had used "ctrl", it probably 1) wouldn't > have > >>> looked as cool and 2) would have been similarly alarming to Mac users. > BUT, > >>> that said...I'm pretty concerned with how successful at "freewashing" > Apple > >>> is as a corporation. Maybe I'm totally off the mark, but my sense is > that > >>> Mac has been promoting its products as hip & cool and, somehow, > ethically > >>> better than Windows. A lot of free software supporters scoff at using > >>> Windows but are totally comfortable running OS X, and that worries me > >>> (because clearly Ubuntu ftw). > >>> > >>> SO: my proposed alternatives: > >>> * Getting rid of the Squiggle and just having C X V tiled? It might > take > >>> people a while to 'get it', but the design might look more coherent > anyway. > >>> * Using the cut/copy/paste icons that I love oh so much at the bottom > of the > >>> page? (Con: Are those too associated with Office or some such thing? In > that > >>> case, I'm more up for liberating those than the St. John's Cross > thing...) > >>> > >>> 3) Kevin again: It's true, we're way too uncontrollably hip for our own > >>> good. > >>> > >>> <3 > >>> Christina > >>> (Sorry if this email made no sense, I blame it on altitude & natural > gas > >>> production-related fumes) > >>> > >>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Kevin Driscoll < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> As a part-time Mac user and full-time free software supporter, I made > >>>> that graphic to mean "cut-copy-paste". I thought of the implications > >>>> on using an icon closely associated with Apple but couldn't think of a > >>>> similar generic one. > >>>> > >>>> While we can always better promote freedom, I am afraid we're going to > >>>> have trouble being less hip. > >>>> > >>>> Kevin > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Asheesh Laroia < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > On Sun, 7 Sep 2008, Matt Lee wrote: > >>>> > > >>>> >> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Christina Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >>>> >> wrote: > >>>> >>> Question: Why is the Mac command button thing being used as an > icon? > >>>> >>> Was it purely an aesthetic choice? 'Cause, in case you forget, > Macs > >>>> >>> are > >>>> >>> kiiind of proprietary all over the place. > >>>> >> > >>>> >> What she said. > >>>> > > >>>> > It's a bit late, since I'm on the conf08 list too and could have > spoken > >>>> > up > >>>> > there too (mea culpa), but I agree with Matt's and Christina's > feelings > >>>> > here. > >>>> > > >>>> > If there's any hope of making the conference less "hip" and > >>>> > Mac-promoting, > >>>> > and instead more clear that it promotes freedom, I'd appreciate > that! > >>>> > > >>>> > -- Asheesh. > >>>> > > >>>> > -- > >>>> > Conversation enriches the understanding, but solitude is the school > of > >>>> > genius. > >>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>> > Discuss mailing list > >>>> > [email protected] > >>>> > http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> )_)_)_)_)_)_ > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Discuss mailing list > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Discuss mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> )_)_)_)_)_)_ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Discuss mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > > > -- > )_)_)_)_)_)_ > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >
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