fwiw, i really like the idea of cut/copy/paste as a representation of fc/remix culture, and i think the bg accomplishes that in a creative way.
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Fred Benenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Yeah -- the sad fact is that a lot of the creativity that we in the FC > movement like to point to as interesting free culture gets created on a Mac. > > I'm guilty -- so is every professional digital photographer I know & work > with. Linux digital photography is not at a place where its usable by > professionals yet. But for development and coding, there is no other way, > and I use linux on all my projects that have web hosting. > > I'd love to see alternate designs (perhaps we can match them to user agents > ... :) > > F > > > > On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Christina Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Yeah, I totally got the LV reference and liked it a lot for the exact >> reason that Kevin just mentioned. As someone who partially grew up in China, >> I associate LVs with this crazy counterfeit market in Shanghai where they >> make goods that are actually better quality than the real brand stuff for >> way, way cheaper. Free Fashion ftw. >> >> I'm not trying to make anyone do any extra work! And I certainly am not >> significantly upset about the background. Although I use only Ubuntu, I too >> am not a purist in that I think it's far more important for good people to >> run bad software if they are going to use it to make cool stuff. The only >> reason why Ubuntu is an option for me is because I never do any video/audio >> editing and I am trying my best not to play any video games. If any of those >> things became a necessity, I'd probably have to dual-boot at the very least. >> >> That said, maybe if I have time tonight (in my cabin with wifi) I'll fire >> up ol' GIMPy and see what I can't come up with a few alternative designs. >> >> Thanks for the discussion, everyone! >> Christina >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:26 AM, Kevin Driscoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >> >>> My classmate is writing a thesis about counterfeit luxury goods right >>> now. It is completely fascinating and was definitely on my mind way >>> back in the spring when we made that image. There's a whole different >>> set of ethics, standards, practices, and expectations among consumers >>> of brands like LV, Coach, Chanel, etc. >>> >>> I can't locate a link right now but there are large communities of >>> people who discuss the best fakes on messageboards and listservs, >>> collaborating on large databases of otherwise disparate information. >>> For example, they can identify which factories in southeast Asia >>> produce the closest approximation of a Kate Spade purse or pair of >>> Gucci shades. I think rocking the fakes purposefully has a curious >>> rupturing effect on brand stability. On one hand, the brand emerges >>> more powerful as it multiplies. But on another, the parent corporation >>> can't simply price undesirable people out of participation so >>> consumers/fans are able to usurp/guide the future of the brand. >>> >>> Definitely a rich topic for any free culture researcher to dig into. >>> >>> >>> The background of this website has proved a surprisingly verdant >>> conversation piece! :) >>> >>> Kevin >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 2:16 AM, Dean Jansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> > I'm sure this doesn't make it any better (or maybe it does?!), but >>> > it's a parody of the Luis Vuitton handbag print: >>> > http://tinyurl.com/5tcm8l >>> > >>> > Can we just treat it as one deliciously big chunk of irony? We all >>> > know the Apple motto should be "What Copy/Paste?" >>> > http://tinyurl.com/63cr2f >>> > >>> > --Dean >>> > >>> > On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 1:40 AM, Kevin Driscoll < >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >> I'm not willing to change the background myself only because it seems >>> >> really low on my conference-prep priority list. I'm open to changing >>> >> it if someone else does the lion's share of the work and it works with >>> >> the design we have going. Sorry to be inflexible, there's just a ton >>> >> to do. >>> >> >>> >> Starting another thread re: #2. Another pet peeve of mine. >>> >> >>> >> Kevin >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Christina Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> 1) Fred: Thanks for pulling up that Wikipedia article! Yeah, it would >>> be >>> >>> cool to reappropriate the St. John's Cross for our purposes, but I'm >>> kind of >>> >>> questioning if this is going to do it. In this context, it is >>> definitely >>> >>> going to be read as the Apple command icon, not anything else. >>> >>> >>> >>> 2) Kevin: I feel you on where you're coming from with this. As a >>> no-time Mac >>> >>> user and full-time Ubuntu-on-a-PC user, I guess it threw me off >>> because I'm >>> >>> so used to my ctrl key. If you had used "ctrl", it probably 1) >>> wouldn't have >>> >>> looked as cool and 2) would have been similarly alarming to Mac >>> users. BUT, >>> >>> that said...I'm pretty concerned with how successful at "freewashing" >>> Apple >>> >>> is as a corporation. Maybe I'm totally off the mark, but my sense is >>> that >>> >>> Mac has been promoting its products as hip & cool and, somehow, >>> ethically >>> >>> better than Windows. A lot of free software supporters scoff at using >>> >>> Windows but are totally comfortable running OS X, and that worries me >>> >>> (because clearly Ubuntu ftw). >>> >>> >>> >>> SO: my proposed alternatives: >>> >>> * Getting rid of the Squiggle and just having C X V tiled? It might >>> take >>> >>> people a while to 'get it', but the design might look more coherent >>> anyway. >>> >>> * Using the cut/copy/paste icons that I love oh so much at the bottom >>> of the >>> >>> page? (Con: Are those too associated with Office or some such thing? >>> In that >>> >>> case, I'm more up for liberating those than the St. John's Cross >>> thing...) >>> >>> >>> >>> 3) Kevin again: It's true, we're way too uncontrollably hip for our >>> own >>> >>> good. >>> >>> >>> >>> <3 >>> >>> Christina >>> >>> (Sorry if this email made no sense, I blame it on altitude & natural >>> gas >>> >>> production-related fumes) >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Kevin Driscoll < >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> As a part-time Mac user and full-time free software supporter, I >>> made >>> >>>> that graphic to mean "cut-copy-paste". I thought of the implications >>> >>>> on using an icon closely associated with Apple but couldn't think of >>> a >>> >>>> similar generic one. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> While we can always better promote freedom, I am afraid we're going >>> to >>> >>>> have trouble being less hip. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Kevin >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Asheesh Laroia < >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>>> wrote: >>> >>>> > On Sun, 7 Sep 2008, Matt Lee wrote: >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Christina Xu < >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>>> >> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> Question: Why is the Mac command button thing being used as an >>> icon? >>> >>>> >>> Was it purely an aesthetic choice? 'Cause, in case you forget, >>> Macs >>> >>>> >>> are >>> >>>> >>> kiiind of proprietary all over the place. >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> What she said. >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > It's a bit late, since I'm on the conf08 list too and could have >>> spoken >>> >>>> > up >>> >>>> > there too (mea culpa), but I agree with Matt's and Christina's >>> feelings >>> >>>> > here. >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > If there's any hope of making the conference less "hip" and >>> >>>> > Mac-promoting, >>> >>>> > and instead more clear that it promotes freedom, I'd appreciate >>> that! >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > -- Asheesh. >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > -- >>> >>>> > Conversation enriches the understanding, but solitude is the >>> school of >>> >>>> > genius. >>> >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>> >>>> > Discuss mailing list >>> >>>> > [email protected] >>> >>>> > http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> -- >>> >>>> )_)_)_)_)_)_ >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>> Discuss mailing list >>> >>>> [email protected] >>> >>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Discuss mailing list >>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> )_)_)_)_)_)_ >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Discuss mailing list >>> >> [email protected] >>> >> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Discuss mailing list >>> > [email protected] >>> > http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> )_)_)_)_)_)_ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >
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