Yeah -- the sad fact is that a lot of the creativity that we in the FC movement like to point to as interesting free culture gets created on a Mac.
I'm guilty -- so is every professional digital photographer I know & work with. Linux digital photography is not at a place where its usable by professionals yet. But for development and coding, there is no other way, and I use linux on all my projects that have web hosting. I'd love to see alternate designs (perhaps we can match them to user agents ... :) F On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Christina Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah, I totally got the LV reference and liked it a lot for the exact > reason that Kevin just mentioned. As someone who partially grew up in China, > I associate LVs with this crazy counterfeit market in Shanghai where they > make goods that are actually better quality than the real brand stuff for > way, way cheaper. Free Fashion ftw. > > I'm not trying to make anyone do any extra work! And I certainly am not > significantly upset about the background. Although I use only Ubuntu, I too > am not a purist in that I think it's far more important for good people to > run bad software if they are going to use it to make cool stuff. The only > reason why Ubuntu is an option for me is because I never do any video/audio > editing and I am trying my best not to play any video games. If any of those > things became a necessity, I'd probably have to dual-boot at the very least. > > That said, maybe if I have time tonight (in my cabin with wifi) I'll fire > up ol' GIMPy and see what I can't come up with a few alternative designs. > > Thanks for the discussion, everyone! > Christina > > > On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:26 AM, Kevin Driscoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > >> My classmate is writing a thesis about counterfeit luxury goods right >> now. It is completely fascinating and was definitely on my mind way >> back in the spring when we made that image. There's a whole different >> set of ethics, standards, practices, and expectations among consumers >> of brands like LV, Coach, Chanel, etc. >> >> I can't locate a link right now but there are large communities of >> people who discuss the best fakes on messageboards and listservs, >> collaborating on large databases of otherwise disparate information. >> For example, they can identify which factories in southeast Asia >> produce the closest approximation of a Kate Spade purse or pair of >> Gucci shades. I think rocking the fakes purposefully has a curious >> rupturing effect on brand stability. On one hand, the brand emerges >> more powerful as it multiplies. But on another, the parent corporation >> can't simply price undesirable people out of participation so >> consumers/fans are able to usurp/guide the future of the brand. >> >> Definitely a rich topic for any free culture researcher to dig into. >> >> >> The background of this website has proved a surprisingly verdant >> conversation piece! :) >> >> Kevin >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 2:16 AM, Dean Jansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > I'm sure this doesn't make it any better (or maybe it does?!), but >> > it's a parody of the Luis Vuitton handbag print: >> > http://tinyurl.com/5tcm8l >> > >> > Can we just treat it as one deliciously big chunk of irony? We all >> > know the Apple motto should be "What Copy/Paste?" >> > http://tinyurl.com/63cr2f >> > >> > --Dean >> > >> > On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 1:40 AM, Kevin Driscoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >> I'm not willing to change the background myself only because it seems >> >> really low on my conference-prep priority list. I'm open to changing >> >> it if someone else does the lion's share of the work and it works with >> >> the design we have going. Sorry to be inflexible, there's just a ton >> >> to do. >> >> >> >> Starting another thread re: #2. Another pet peeve of mine. >> >> >> >> Kevin >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Christina Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >>> 1) Fred: Thanks for pulling up that Wikipedia article! Yeah, it would >> be >> >>> cool to reappropriate the St. John's Cross for our purposes, but I'm >> kind of >> >>> questioning if this is going to do it. In this context, it is >> definitely >> >>> going to be read as the Apple command icon, not anything else. >> >>> >> >>> 2) Kevin: I feel you on where you're coming from with this. As a >> no-time Mac >> >>> user and full-time Ubuntu-on-a-PC user, I guess it threw me off >> because I'm >> >>> so used to my ctrl key. If you had used "ctrl", it probably 1) >> wouldn't have >> >>> looked as cool and 2) would have been similarly alarming to Mac users. >> BUT, >> >>> that said...I'm pretty concerned with how successful at "freewashing" >> Apple >> >>> is as a corporation. Maybe I'm totally off the mark, but my sense is >> that >> >>> Mac has been promoting its products as hip & cool and, somehow, >> ethically >> >>> better than Windows. A lot of free software supporters scoff at using >> >>> Windows but are totally comfortable running OS X, and that worries me >> >>> (because clearly Ubuntu ftw). >> >>> >> >>> SO: my proposed alternatives: >> >>> * Getting rid of the Squiggle and just having C X V tiled? It might >> take >> >>> people a while to 'get it', but the design might look more coherent >> anyway. >> >>> * Using the cut/copy/paste icons that I love oh so much at the bottom >> of the >> >>> page? (Con: Are those too associated with Office or some such thing? >> In that >> >>> case, I'm more up for liberating those than the St. John's Cross >> thing...) >> >>> >> >>> 3) Kevin again: It's true, we're way too uncontrollably hip for our >> own >> >>> good. >> >>> >> >>> <3 >> >>> Christina >> >>> (Sorry if this email made no sense, I blame it on altitude & natural >> gas >> >>> production-related fumes) >> >>> >> >>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Kevin Driscoll < >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> As a part-time Mac user and full-time free software supporter, I made >> >>>> that graphic to mean "cut-copy-paste". I thought of the implications >> >>>> on using an icon closely associated with Apple but couldn't think of >> a >> >>>> similar generic one. >> >>>> >> >>>> While we can always better promote freedom, I am afraid we're going >> to >> >>>> have trouble being less hip. >> >>>> >> >>>> Kevin >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Asheesh Laroia < >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> > On Sun, 7 Sep 2008, Matt Lee wrote: >> >>>> > >> >>>> >> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Christina Xu < >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>>> >> wrote: >> >>>> >>> Question: Why is the Mac command button thing being used as an >> icon? >> >>>> >>> Was it purely an aesthetic choice? 'Cause, in case you forget, >> Macs >> >>>> >>> are >> >>>> >>> kiiind of proprietary all over the place. >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> What she said. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > It's a bit late, since I'm on the conf08 list too and could have >> spoken >> >>>> > up >> >>>> > there too (mea culpa), but I agree with Matt's and Christina's >> feelings >> >>>> > here. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > If there's any hope of making the conference less "hip" and >> >>>> > Mac-promoting, >> >>>> > and instead more clear that it promotes freedom, I'd appreciate >> that! >> >>>> > >> >>>> > -- Asheesh. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > -- >> >>>> > Conversation enriches the understanding, but solitude is the school >> of >> >>>> > genius. >> >>>> > _______________________________________________ >> >>>> > Discuss mailing list >> >>>> > [email protected] >> >>>> > http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >>>> > >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> )_)_)_)_)_)_ >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> Discuss mailing list >> >>>> [email protected] >> >>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Discuss mailing list >> >>> [email protected] >> >>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> )_)_)_)_)_)_ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Discuss mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Discuss mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> )_)_)_)_)_)_ >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >
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