Here's the contract/terms that schools have to agree to: http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/terms/education_terms.html
Matt Senate was suggesting we go through this, highlight what's wrong and troubling, and add our own comments/updates/suggestions. Who wants to make a Google Doc and start this project up? :) -Adi On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Elizabeth Stark <[email protected]> wrote: > Op-ed published in today's YDN by three Yale SFC members (and my > students!): > http://www.yaledailynews.com/opinion/guest-columns/2010/02/11/csar-kamdar-and-slade-lux-et-veritas-et-gmail/ > > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 1:12 AM, aphid <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Here's a FAQ about how this is being implemented here at UC Santa Cruz as >> an *opt-in* service for students, but not faculty or staff: >> http://its.ucsc.edu/service_catalog/slugmail/faq.php -- it covers some of >> the issues that have come up in this thread... interesting that it's >> advertising-free. >> >> peace &upheaval, >> a >> >> >> On 2/10/10 2:12 PM, Alex Kozak wrote: >> >> I'd love to have a conversation about this at the conference... would be >> interesting to hear everyone's perspective. I think this is a great debate >> to have. >> >> John you know I agree with the ideals of free software, but I think I >> have a more pragmatic view when it comes to Google. Does the increased risk >> to "corporate interference" and reduced autonomy outweigh the potential >> benefits of these technologies? For a school without any collaboration >> systems, and little capacity to deploy one, the Google option would clearly >> be a net win for education and the university's mission to educate. And it >> would be a win for free culture in that the capabilities for collaboration >> and learning presented by the internet are being harnessed by the >> institutions who could most benefit from their use. >> >> I definitely agree that other things being equal a floss solution is >> preferable over Google. And think it's even inevitable that free software >> will compete with Google apps-like services. But in the meantime should >> schools not be encouraging the use of new technology until the floss >> solution is as optimal as Google? >> >> - Alex >> >> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:20 PM, John Sullivan <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Adi Kamdar <[email protected]> writes: >>> >>> > Hey folks, >>> > >>> > The Yale Daily News ran an article today about how there's >>> almost-definite >>> > talk about Yale switching to Google Apps for Education and using Google >>> > servers/software to host our email. >>> > >>> > >>> http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/university-news/2010/02/09/google-run-yale-e-mail/ >>> > >>> > I was wondering if you guys had any thoughts or good literature on the >>> > issues with this (re privacy, data, costs, security, tech, law, etc.). >>> For >>> > the most part, the students are overjoyed about this since our old >>> email >>> > system is painful to use, so it'd be nice to address usability issues >>> as >>> > well. >>> >>> People in this thread have commented on the Gmail aspect, but if the >>> university is using the rest of the Google Apps, then that opens up the >>> Google Docs issue as well -- where the free software arguments seem much >>> clearer. >>> >>> http://www.google.com/a/help/intl/en/edu/university.html has a map >>> showing other schools that have already made the switch. (BTW, this >>> animated map with testimonials / case studies is really cool and >>> something we should do with free software adoption and free culture >>> program highlights.) >>> >>> I don't see how this solves any RIAA problems -- your university >>> administrators still have access to your email via the Google Apps >>> administrative account. Google only requires that the university publish >>> some kind of policy to their users, not much (or anything) about the >>> content of that policy. >>> >>> It seems like a net loss to me -- regardless of whether Gmail is an >>> ethical problem for free software or not, it's still clearly preferable >>> that a university run its mail system and document >>> production/collaboration using free software (or contract to someone who >>> does). It means more autonomy, less risk of corporate interference in >>> education, more educational opportunities for students, faculty and >>> employees, and supporting the growth of an approach to software that is >>> consistent with advancing any university's founding mission. >>> >>> -- >>> -John Sullivan >>> -http://wjsullivan.net >>> -GPG Key: AE8600B6 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Alex Kozak >> [email protected] >> 916.225.2718 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing >> [email protected]http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >
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