On Wed, 27 Oct 2010, Matt Simmons wrote:
Mark,
I think that's painting with too wide a brush. The pinnacle levels of
Cisco, VMware, and ISC certification are all certs that require
significant experience to even sit for, let alone pass. If someone is
applying for a high level security position in your organization and
they have a CISSP by their name, you can be fairly sure that they're
competent,
sorry, I know too many people who have a CISSP to agree with that
statement. I guess it could depend on your definition of 'competent'
though.
David Lang
and it definitely gives you a sense of where to begin your
discussions. The same with CCIE, or even the VCDX.
These certifications don't guarantee that the person is the best for
the job, or even qualified for the job. They certify a certain level
of skill and knowledge. An individual requires a lot more than that to
be successful, but the skill and knowledge are requirements too.
--Matt
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Mark McCullough <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2010 Oct 25, at 15:24, Tom Perrine wrote:
What's the perception of the value of UNIX and Linux certifications to
practicing system administrators? Not the value to HR, or hiring
managers, or (especially) the certification industry, but to us, the
actual working system administrators.
There is no such thing as a certification that I count as a positive. Anyone
who thinks their certification means anything is too junior to understand the
basics. If I was feeling particularly ornery, I'd ask HR to filter such
individuals out.
Every time I work with someone who is certified and thinks it means anything at
all, that person is sorely lacking in basic understanding of fundamental
concepts of Unix. This includes RHCE, the (formerly) Sun Solaris SA cert
(whatever they call it today), etc.
This also includes some standard security certifications.
Note, I do not have the same view of college degrees. They don't try and make
as strong a claim as certification, and require significantly more time
involvement and effort to obtain.
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