Thats not the way it works in the US. What happens there is the profession collects some money from it's members, lobbies [1] the right politicians and then the profession is regulated.
You now have some "insiders" with a big stake in keeping wages up and the entry price into the profession high.
I'm sure there was an "irresistible demand" from lay people for the regulation of hair-dressers, interior designers etc
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703445904576118030935929752.html http://www.economist.com/node/18678963 [1] Other countries call this "Bribery" but Americans prefer euphemisms On Wed, 16 Nov 2011, Mark Dennehy wrote:
I suspect what members of LOPSA want and don't want will be irrelevant, because regulation is usually pushed on professionals by the public they serve (and who are failed and burned by the chancers). As to mechanics, well, it's different where I come from - they are regulated in Ireland, the training is done via four-year apprenticeships with approved mechanics, with continual assessment and a structured curriculum. When you have an MOT/NCT system (that's the national is-your-car-roadworthy test in Ireland and the UK), you need to have mechanics with a standard level of competence, and the normal reaction to that need from the lay person is to demand regulation. The day the lay person comes to accept that their life as they know it right down to their most basic needs, is utterly dependant on computer systems working as they should, we'll see an irresistible demand for regulation. And by irresistible, I mean politicians drafting legislation that says we don't get to work as sysadmins unless we have X, Y and Z certification. It's inevitable really, the only question is whether it'll happen during our professional lives or not. On 15 November 2011 23:23, <[email protected]> wrote: On Mon, 14 Nov 2011, Lawrence K. Chen, P.Eng. wrote: Yeah...this kind of question might stir up more sides if it were posed to a list that wasn't LOPSA.... Since, isn't one of the reasons we belong to LOPSA is that we want this to happen. Not everyone in LOPSA wants regulation of system administration to happen. I don't want everyone who is a system administrator to have to get a license/certification/approval because I see the job of being a system administrator as being so broad that having such a restriction is like restricting ownership of typewriters or photocopiers in that it will restrict people's fundamental free speach rights and what they are allowed to do with their own property. I would also oppose any requirement to require an "Internet Drivers License" or certification before anyone is allowed to connect a computer to the Internet. Not every field that has Professionals in it is licensed and regulated. Take the example of mechanics. You don't need to have any sort of license to work on a car. You don't even need to have a license or certification to open a shop working on other people's cars. There are specific subfields where you do need to have a license to be paid to work on someone's car (brakes and lights), and there are a lot of people (especially insurance companies) that will not do business with you unless you do get formal training and certifications, but nobody claims that there are no professional mechanics, and anyone who goes around claiming that the world would be better if only everyone who ever turned a wrench was licensed and regulated will just get laughed at. I see being a System Administrator as being very similar to being a Mechanic. David Lang _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list [email protected] https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss This list provided by the League of Professional System Administrators http://lopsa.org/ -- Mark Dennehy
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