Elizabeth,
This is the last thing I'm going to say about this as related to age: I never indicated anything about ruling out anybody by age. Saying that I want somebody who is driven has no reflection their age. You spending 10 years in IT without moving forward tells me nothing about your age. If you started in IT at age 18, then that would only make you 28. The comment I made was directly related to wanting to finding somebody who would be driven to do more. For instance, my career has followed this path: Graduated college > 15 months in a technician role > 10 months in a jr sys admin role > 15 months in a sr sys admin role > currently I'm an IT Manager. Based upon that alone, can you tell me anything about my age? Unless you're making an assumption based upon my age at college graduation, there is nothing about age that can be extracted from the provided information. However, you can look at it and see that I was hungry for bigger and better things based upon the advancement. I understand your predicament and am fully aware that there are many stories like yours. However, I disagree with your statistic that for every 1 person who wasn't able to advance past a jr. role, there are 2 people like yourself. In reality, I would guess that it is closer to the opposite. On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Elizabeth Schwartz <[email protected] > wrote: > OK delete if you don't want to hear it - but I want to chime in on > the age vs hunger thing. > > I graduate at an older age than many, worked at a software shop for a > few years, and then spent 9 years in a university environment where I > was doing more lab management than anything else - purchasing, > budgeting, supervising students, day-to-day sysadmin tasks but not the > really interesting stuff. It was partially a hunger to do more tech > that led me to switch jobs, and that put me at an older age with 10+ > years experience looking for a junior position. EXACTLY the sort of > person you are ruling out. I had a lot of years but I really only had > junior experience. It was a great job in other ways: wonderful team, > great work-life balance (had my daughter while I was there), and I > loved teaching the students, so I don't regret doing it, but I spent > the next decade having to *explain* it. In retrospect I should have > just changed the dang job title to CS Dept Lab Manager. Let me urge > you to look at the whole person and not weed out just based on age and > number of years. For every person who has spent ten years doing a > junior job because they are just slow, there may be two others who had > other reasons for being there. > > Anyway - happy to look at your job posting if you want to send it > here, or post a pointer to it. Maybe we can find a way to improve it. > Also - I would try to find out what the market is like in your > particular local area. See if you can find out how other people in > your town are doing with SA hiring. And consider expanding your search > to other geographic areas . > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > This list provided by the League of Professional System Administrators > http://lopsa.org/ >
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