I have to say I'm with dballing here. If Chapter comes with a whole bunch of overhead, based on existing lopsa by-laws why bother having this as a chapter? What is the tangible benefit? That's what people aren't really answering. You're focussing on what benefit the end product will have, the actual content which *everyone* so far is in agreement that it would be great.
What is the advantage of it being a "Chapter"? Worse still, if the by-laws require this to be handled through the locals committee, and they'll have to spend time working out how to fit it in to a framework that wasn't really created with the concept of a virtual chapter in mind... why do we want the locals committee to have to spend their time doing that, unless there is an explicit benefit to be gained in having this exist as a chapter? On Fri, May 09, 2014 at 01:35:04PM -0400, Derek Balling wrote: > I think I've made it clear I'm not bashing the idea. I *love* the idea, > I've said so before a number of times now. > I'm just saying not to focus on "Chapter" (which, per the LOPSA by-laws, > has a very specific definition and set of requirements) and just focus on > "The Content". > D > On May 9, 2014, at 1:32 PM, john boris <[email protected]> wrote: > > "Chapters", "Hangouts", Meetups, beer bashes, call it whatever you want. > Martin is just trying to work within our current structure. We are in a > technology that is constantly changing the landscape and the language. > So in the onset they are called Virtual Chapters but later they may be > called something else. At least he is trying to do something to stay > with the times and the Technology. Why beat him up or trash the idea. > The idea of this is that a "Virtual" Anything is what he is looking for > and someone in the group to stand up and say "Yes I will do that" > > On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Derek Balling <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I feel like I can't stay out of this. > Why do I need a chapter to schedule hangouts at 7ET, while Mario[1] > schedules some hangouts for 7PT? And if Doug Hughes[2] decides he's > staying up late tonight, he can "attend" Mario's 7PT session, even > though he's on the east coast. > Again - you're talking about something that needs organizers, but not > necessarily "chapters". > D > [1] I'm not volunteering Mario. :-) > [2] Nor do I believe Doug Hughes would ever stay up late. He's like > the crotchety old man asleep by 8, get off my lawn. > On May 9, 2014, at 1:21 PM, john boris <[email protected]> wrote: > > The one advantage I see to having multiple Virtual Chapters is time > zones. So an organizer on the West coast decides to hold the > meetings at 8 PM. That is 11 PM on the East coast. Also with > Multiple Virtual Chapters there could be multiple "Meetings" and > people could then flock to the one that is most convenient to their > schedule. > > On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Pamela Lynn Howell > <[email protected]> wrote: > > IMO, what is actually needed is the *organizer* for the virtual > chapter, whatever it may be called. > ---p > > On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Derek Balling > <[email protected]> wrote: > > On May 9, 2014, at 12:14 PM, Evan Pettrey <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I think you're being a bit pedantic here and I'm not sure it > is necessary or beneficial to the discussion. > > I completely disagree. To ME, IMHO, going through this "virtual > chapter" process is an unnecessary use of the scarce resource we > have called "time". > I think what he's talking about DOING is great. I think > scheduling regular hangouts, etc., is a great thing for LOPSA > members to have and participate in. I think consuming his time, > the locals committee's time, etc., creating such a "chapter", > however, is completely wasted. It smells of the type of > "planning to plan" type of stuff that bogs down volunteer > groups. > What does he want? Social/technical/learning experiences with > other LOPSA members who aren't geographically proximal? So make > that happen, set up the schedule for the hangouts, etc., but > don't get bogged down in all the details of the Locals policy, > like figuring who the "chapter members" of record are, who allow > the chapter to maintain its charter, etc., etc. Just schedule > and advertise the hangouts and let any member who wants to be > involved be involved. > Every expense of scarce volunteer time should have an actual net > beneficial outcome. Spending time on the virtual-chapter portion > of this project doesn't do that. (Spending time on the "meat" of > this project has plenty of benefits, obviously). > I've said my piece, at this point. We're all grown-ups and can > make our own life choices. :-) > D > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > This list provided by the League of Professional System > Administrators > http://lopsa.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > This list provided by the League of Professional System > Administrators > http://lopsa.org/ > > -- > John J. Boris, Sr. > Online Services > www.onlinesvc.com > > -- > John J. 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