I get paid per email. On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 10:28 AM, chris kluka <[email protected]> wrote:
> Probably. > > > On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 2:12 AM, Colin Stanners <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Mark, do you get paid per word? >> >> >> On 8/25/12, Mark Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> But it's a bad precedent to offer to pay cash, especially if they're >> not >> >> asking for it. >> > >> > I don't like it if it ends up feeling like we're just agreeing to an >> > arbitrary extra levy on the side and then still feel vulnerable to such >> > demands surprising us in the future. >> > >> > If the terms of the current lease are unsatisfactory and putting us at >> > risk of being on our asses then we have to accept that the lease terms >> > will need to change. We then hope to change them in a way that can >> > actually be sustained over the term of the lease so that we can have >> > some predictability here. Surprises are bad. >> > >> > That means either keeping electricity as an included service and paying >> > a higher rent or adopting a formula where we're responsible for a part >> > of the electric bill on a formula basis that changes with actual use. >> > (a flat rate "extra" for electricity is really the same as a rent >> > increase with electricity remaining a "included" service) >> > >> > The first option entails our landlord and management coming to a >> > realization of the consumption reality -- that we're like a big, busy >> > office and not an low-activity storage warehouse. (manufacturing is on >> > an even higher level of magnitude) >> > >> > Any reasonably smart landlord and/or management is not going to give >> > consumption or efficiency promises any credence if they're >> > re-negotiating on this basis. It wouldn't be wise. They'll simply jack >> > up the rent high enough so that their ass is covered within all >> > foreseeable scenarios allowable under the terms. >> > >> > Nor are they going to get anywhere with us by trying to come up with >> > restrictive use terms as we're not going agree to anything that makes >> > Asset Works and Skullspace less than they already are. Our goals are to >> > grow and become places with more action and activity, not less! >> > >> > Nor could I imagine it being in the interest of any party to have a >> > fixed list of 24/7 devices with a new negotiation each time that list >> > needs to change. >> > >> > The second option is for a new lease to have an explicit part of the >> > electricity bill passed on the basis of a formula, such as subtract an >> > amount reflecting a Cre8tory estimate and a base amount that's >> > "included", and then we pay the rest. >> > >> > >> > Either way, we're going to pay in the end for the cost of having a big >> > hackerspace... if it's not done in a /new deal/ designed to last than >> > we'll see it in pieces through creeping demands. >> > >> > As for energy savings and efficiencies... >> > >> > >> > > So we could start with a *long term* commitment to >> > > reduce power usage (with fans and better lights to bed installed >> > > soonish)... >> > >> > >> > I don't think we can make that commitment. We're going to grow, and so >> > too will our usage. >> > >> > At best, conservation efforts and efficiencies will slow the long term >> > *rate* of growth. >> > >> > At worst, efficiencies have a paradoxical effect where they actually >> > encourage a growth in use. (see jevons paradox) >> > >> > This doesn't mean that conservation efforts and new efficiencies are not >> > worthwhile. I'm all for them and will make personal efforts to help. >> > (I have long hoped to move folks with light server room loads on to it >> > the vm server for example and I welcome the fact that folks are more >> > motivated to take up the offer now) >> > >> > It just means we can't expect miracles. We have to realistically be >> > prepared to bear the true costs of operating. >> > >> > >> > Think about it -- we're at the point where a substantial electrical >> > upgrade is needed -- and this upgrade will make much more capacity >> > available. Even after new convservation and efficiency efforts, is a >> > growing hackerspace with more capacity coming online going to end up >> > using less once that becomes available? >> > >> > As an example, one of the things we're all hoping will be enabled after >> > the big electrical upgrade is better summer climate control. (especially >> > if we want to attract and retain more members who aren't part of the >> > super loyal core) >> > >> > It will be great if better summer climate control included the idea of >> > an automatic forced air system to draw in during cold nights (super warm >> > nights are useless, right?) and also featured high efficiency air >> > conditioners to fill in when air forcing isn't enough. (and to be more >> > efficient, A/C could be made to not kick-in during off peak times -- let >> > the small numbers of very late night or early morning hackers fry) >> > >> > But we're not going use such an efficient system to just achieve the >> > status quo (server room and classroom so so and really bad everywhere >> > else) on a cheaper budget. Members are naturally going to want the >> > benefits of this system to be for the entire floor and want to use it to >> > ensure temperatures like 24c floor wide or something during peak times. >> > >> > It would be pretty amazing if the efficiencies were so grand that we >> > ended up getting more for less on the subject of climate control or any >> > other area. But, life rarely gives such dividends. >> > >> > >> > Mark >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> > >
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