I meant more in usage for people being there, lights, computers, projector and extra heating based on the doors being open more often. I know we will not be using the AC units but there may be more usage of everything else.
G Mike On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Colin Stanners <[email protected]> wrote: > Right now I think we're using more like the maximum of power: 3 big > and 3 small AC units, and 4 fridges running much more than usual (hard > to guess - 3x, 5x?) to cool themselves down when it was so hot in the > space. In the winter we'd only be using heaters, and with > re-distribution of the server/elec room heat I think we'd find > ourselves pretty warm. > > > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Michael Loney <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Not to be a stick in the mud... > > > > TL;DR > > Spend in g money on a bill that is not ours is a bad move. > > This definitely needs a vote to pass. > > The gas bill has not verified yet. It may be more than we > budgeted > > for. > > > > When we signed the lease the landlord was aware that we would be > using > > some average amount power and included it in the lease anyway. While > being > > the nice people we are, if we start paying an extra $250 /mo for rent it > > will start to affect everything we do, renovations, events, projects, > etc. > > The lease is only for 3 years and if we start paying now then if we renew > > the rent will be much higher and the power will not be included anymore. > We > > have all done the calculations to death and determined we are not using > 'too > > much' power but we are closer to the average for the floor area. Remco is > > not a new company, they probably have charts of typical power usage > based on > > floor space vs function ( office, warehouse, etc) and they still > convinced > > Marvin to sign it. > > > > If they did not do their homework on the deal then why should we be > > paying for their mistake? I agree with reducing our usage as best we can > by > > putting timers on the A/C units to reduce the ON time but I think the > lights > > on Assent Works side have to be on for the insurance policy to be in > place > > (Mike please correct me if I am wrong) Currently we are using a minimum > of > > power and in the winter as the space gets more active, the power bill > will > > simply increase and we will be back at the table with the same problem > > again. Also we need to anticipate the gas bill in the coming months > before > > promising any other payments. > > > > I know we have the 6 month clause and it was decided not to put any > > provisos in place to prevent this exact thing from happening. They have > all > > the power in this situation. I don't want to see us lose the space over > this > > ( I put a lot of blood sweat and tears into it! ) But bending to the > > landlord over a problem that is 100% on them ( and Remco ) will just > keep us > > on the short end of the stick for at least the next 3 years. > > > > I know time is short before the meeting with the landlord but I > don't > > think we can simply have an quick executive decision on this one as it is > > not an emergency. Agreeing to pay more will extend our time to > completion on > > renovations for sure and set a bad precedence for future situations. > > > > All that said, I know Assent Works has much, much more invested > than we > > do and to maintain a partnership with them we need to be supportive. > > > > G Mike > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Jay Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Sounds good. $250, or 60% of the bill, is a sane maximum in my opinion. > If > >> 60% of our bill ever turns out to be more than $250, we're doing > something > >> wrong. > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Justin Lacko <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> We will be arguing for a percentage. $250 extra is the max we will go > >>> if it comes to it. > >>> > >>> This is an excellent observation and will work well in the > >>> discussions. Yes, 800-850 is combined. > >>> > >>> On 24 August 2012 15:34, Jay Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > We can afford it. > >>> > > >>> > Am I correct in assuming $800-$850/mo is skullspace's and > assentworks's > >>> > combined charge? > >>> > Have you and Mike considered offering to pay a percentage of the bill > >>> > rather > >>> > than a fixed rate? > >>> > > >>> > If my assumptions are correct, we're now offering to pay 60% of our > >>> > usage. > >>> > If we go through with our 1/3 reduction plans, we will be paying 90% > of > >>> > the > >>> > bill. This seems high. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Andrew Orr <[email protected]> > >>> > wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> How many members do we even have? I know there's been a few people > who > >>> >> have left recently. Can we even afford this with our current > >>> >> membership and > >>> >> the budget we worked out? > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Ron <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> >>> > >>> >>> I personally have no problem with you making the offer, provided > Jay > >>> >>> says it's a reasonable commitment financially. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Ron > >>> >>> > >>> >>> On 2012-08-24 14:24, Justin Lacko wrote: > >>> >>> > This is an important follow-up to earlier discussions involving > the > >>> >>> > cost of electrical on our floor. > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > As you may know, Mike Legary and myself are meeting with Marvin, > >>> >>> > our > >>> >>> > landlord on Tuesday afternoon to discuss the electrical bills. > >>> >>> > Today I > >>> >>> > received the most recent electrical bill (we are billed monthly) > >>> >>> > which > >>> >>> > came in at around $1100. This bill includes cre8ery's usage, plus > >>> >>> > public building usage (garage lights, etc). Today Mike Legary > also > >>> >>> > had > >>> >>> > an electrician come and accurately measure our power usage on the > >>> >>> > floor. The results are that with AW running its lights always and > >>> >>> > regular use of their equipment, they are consuming roughly the > same > >>> >>> > amount of electricity as SkullSpace is, which is 36A per group > (36A > >>> >>> > SkSp, 36A AW). Our rough estimated electrical bills has been > >>> >>> > calculated at $800-$850/mo. at peak use. > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > What all of this means in the simplest terms is that the landlord > >>> >>> > is > >>> >>> > losing money on our lease, which is not good. This would very > >>> >>> > easily > >>> >>> > be a good reason to terminate our lease. Mike Legary estimated > the > >>> >>> > landlord currently making $0.50/sq. ft. on the space, and with > >>> >>> > taxes > >>> >>> > at $0.70/sq. ft., which results in negative profit. In the > upcoming > >>> >>> > meeting, the landlord will almost certainly be asking for a > >>> >>> > reduction > >>> >>> > of our usage. > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > The suggestion that we will be making on Tuesday's meeting is > that > >>> >>> > SkSp & AW will pay for a certain portion of the electrical in > order > >>> >>> > to > >>> >>> > alleviate the problem of the landlord losing money. Don't forget > >>> >>> > that > >>> >>> > our lease has a 6-month clause which means that the landlord > could > >>> >>> > terminate on us at any time. Our max offered contribution towards > >>> >>> > the > >>> >>> > electrical bill will be $250/mo. per group, meaning a $500 > >>> >>> > contribution from the floor. Again, we are doing this so that we > >>> >>> > appear as the "good guys" who are recognising that the landlord > is > >>> >>> > not > >>> >>> > making money on us, and primarily we are doing this so that we > >>> >>> > don't > >>> >>> > lose our lease. AssentWorks has already agreed to this amount, > and > >>> >>> > we > >>> >>> > need SkullSpace to be on board by Monday so that we can take this > >>> >>> > offer to the meeting on Tuesday. If SkullSpace does not agree to > >>> >>> > this > >>> >>> > and AssentWorks does, not only will it look bad on our part when > >>> >>> > talking to the landlord, but it will almost certainly result in > the > >>> >>> > loss of our lease. The other added part to this agreement is for > >>> >>> > both > >>> >>> > sides to reduce electrical consumption by 1/3 (the amount we will > >>> >>> > bring to the table). This isn't as hard as it sounds; we have old > >>> >>> > lighting taking up double the power of new lights; and lighting > >>> >>> > could > >>> >>> > be put on motion sensors as AssentWorks will be doing. We could > >>> >>> > also > >>> >>> > properly ventilate our server room which will result in reduced > >>> >>> > workload on the machines and save us money. > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > Unfortunately this issue is not one that can wait for a formal > >>> >>> > meeting > >>> >>> > vote by members; Mike Legary and I need to go into this as being > on > >>> >>> > the same page in order to present a concerted response. Part of > our > >>> >>> > discussions will also focus on increased electrical due to the > >>> >>> > landlord's decision to install space heaters, bad windows, etc. > >>> >>> > etc. > >>> >>> > Mike and I will work hard for SkSp and AW to bargain as best as > we > >>> >>> > can > >>> >>> > in this process and also ensure that our upcoming electrical > plans > >>> >>> > do > >>> >>> > not render these discussions moot. > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > I will try my best to answer all questions pertaining to this as > >>> >>> > best > >>> >>> > as I can. > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > Thanks, > >>> >>> > Justin > >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> >>> > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > >>> >>> > Help: > http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > >>> >>> > Archive: > >>> >>> > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> >>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > >>> >>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > >>> >>> Archive: > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> _______________________________________________ > >>> >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > >>> >> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > >>> >> Archive: > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > >>> > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > >>> > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > >>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > >>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > >> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > >> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >
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