But it's a bad precedent to offer to pay cash, especially if they're not
asking for it.

I don't like it if it ends up feeling like we're just agreeing to an arbitrary extra levy on the side and then still feel vulnerable to such demands surprising us in the future.

If the terms of the current lease are unsatisfactory and putting us at risk of being on our asses then we have to accept that the lease terms will need to change. We then hope to change them in a way that can actually be sustained over the term of the lease so that we can have some predictability here. Surprises are bad.

That means either keeping electricity as an included service and paying a higher rent or adopting a formula where we're responsible for a part of the electric bill on a formula basis that changes with actual use. (a flat rate "extra" for electricity is really the same as a rent increase with electricity remaining a "included" service)

The first option entails our landlord and management coming to a realization of the consumption reality -- that we're like a big, busy office and not an low-activity storage warehouse. (manufacturing is on an even higher level of magnitude)

Any reasonably smart landlord and/or management is not going to give consumption or efficiency promises any credence if they're re-negotiating on this basis. It wouldn't be wise. They'll simply jack up the rent high enough so that their ass is covered within all foreseeable scenarios allowable under the terms.

Nor are they going to get anywhere with us by trying to come up with restrictive use terms as we're not going agree to anything that makes Asset Works and Skullspace less than they already are. Our goals are to grow and become places with more action and activity, not less!

Nor could I imagine it being in the interest of any party to have a fixed list of 24/7 devices with a new negotiation each time that list needs to change.

The second option is for a new lease to have an explicit part of the electricity bill passed on the basis of a formula, such as subtract an amount reflecting a Cre8tory estimate and a base amount that's "included", and then we pay the rest.


Either way, we're going to pay in the end for the cost of having a big hackerspace... if it's not done in a /new deal/ designed to last than we'll see it in pieces through creeping demands.

As for energy savings and efficiencies...


> So we could start with a *long term* commitment to
> reduce power usage (with fans and better lights to bed installed
> soonish)...


I don't think we can make that commitment. We're going to grow, and so too will our usage.

At best, conservation efforts and efficiencies will slow the long term *rate* of growth.

At worst, efficiencies have a paradoxical effect where they actually encourage a growth in use. (see jevons paradox)

This doesn't mean that conservation efforts and new efficiencies are not worthwhile. I'm all for them and will make personal efforts to help. (I have long hoped to move folks with light server room loads on to it the vm server for example and I welcome the fact that folks are more motivated to take up the offer now)

It just means we can't expect miracles. We have to realistically be prepared to bear the true costs of operating.


Think about it -- we're at the point where a substantial electrical upgrade is needed -- and this upgrade will make much more capacity available. Even after new convservation and efficiency efforts, is a growing hackerspace with more capacity coming online going to end up using less once that becomes available?

As an example, one of the things we're all hoping will be enabled after the big electrical upgrade is better summer climate control. (especially if we want to attract and retain more members who aren't part of the super loyal core)

It will be great if better summer climate control included the idea of an automatic forced air system to draw in during cold nights (super warm nights are useless, right?) and also featured high efficiency air conditioners to fill in when air forcing isn't enough. (and to be more efficient, A/C could be made to not kick-in during off peak times -- let the small numbers of very late night or early morning hackers fry)

But we're not going use such an efficient system to just achieve the status quo (server room and classroom so so and really bad everywhere else) on a cheaper budget. Members are naturally going to want the benefits of this system to be for the entire floor and want to use it to ensure temperatures like 24c floor wide or something during peak times.

It would be pretty amazing if the efficiencies were so grand that we ended up getting more for less on the subject of climate control or any other area. But, life rarely gives such dividends.


Mark
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