we should take a reading of the meter once a week see how much it goes up On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Michael Loney <[email protected]>wrote:
> I meant more in usage for people being there, lights, computers, projector > and extra heating based on the doors being open more often. I know we will > not be using the AC units but there may be more usage of everything else. > > G Mike > > > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Colin Stanners <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Right now I think we're using more like the maximum of power: 3 big >> and 3 small AC units, and 4 fridges running much more than usual (hard >> to guess - 3x, 5x?) to cool themselves down when it was so hot in the >> space. In the winter we'd only be using heaters, and with >> re-distribution of the server/elec room heat I think we'd find >> ourselves pretty warm. >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Michael Loney <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > Not to be a stick in the mud... >> > >> > TL;DR >> > Spend in g money on a bill that is not ours is a bad move. >> > This definitely needs a vote to pass. >> > The gas bill has not verified yet. It may be more than we >> budgeted >> > for. >> > >> > When we signed the lease the landlord was aware that we would be >> using >> > some average amount power and included it in the lease anyway. While >> being >> > the nice people we are, if we start paying an extra $250 /mo for rent it >> > will start to affect everything we do, renovations, events, projects, >> etc. >> > The lease is only for 3 years and if we start paying now then if we >> renew >> > the rent will be much higher and the power will not be included >> anymore. We >> > have all done the calculations to death and determined we are not using >> 'too >> > much' power but we are closer to the average for the floor area. Remco >> is >> > not a new company, they probably have charts of typical power usage >> based on >> > floor space vs function ( office, warehouse, etc) and they still >> convinced >> > Marvin to sign it. >> > >> > If they did not do their homework on the deal then why should we be >> > paying for their mistake? I agree with reducing our usage as best we >> can by >> > putting timers on the A/C units to reduce the ON time but I think the >> lights >> > on Assent Works side have to be on for the insurance policy to be in >> place >> > (Mike please correct me if I am wrong) Currently we are using a minimum >> of >> > power and in the winter as the space gets more active, the power bill >> will >> > simply increase and we will be back at the table with the same problem >> > again. Also we need to anticipate the gas bill in the coming months >> before >> > promising any other payments. >> > >> > I know we have the 6 month clause and it was decided not to put any >> > provisos in place to prevent this exact thing from happening. They have >> all >> > the power in this situation. I don't want to see us lose the space over >> this >> > ( I put a lot of blood sweat and tears into it! ) But bending to the >> > landlord over a problem that is 100% on them ( and Remco ) will just >> keep us >> > on the short end of the stick for at least the next 3 years. >> > >> > I know time is short before the meeting with the landlord but I >> don't >> > think we can simply have an quick executive decision on this one as it >> is >> > not an emergency. Agreeing to pay more will extend our time to >> completion on >> > renovations for sure and set a bad precedence for future situations. >> > >> > All that said, I know Assent Works has much, much more invested >> than we >> > do and to maintain a partnership with them we need to be supportive. >> > >> > G Mike >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Jay Smith <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Sounds good. $250, or 60% of the bill, is a sane maximum in my >> opinion. If >> >> 60% of our bill ever turns out to be more than $250, we're doing >> something >> >> wrong. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Justin Lacko <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> We will be arguing for a percentage. $250 extra is the max we will go >> >>> if it comes to it. >> >>> >> >>> This is an excellent observation and will work well in the >> >>> discussions. Yes, 800-850 is combined. >> >>> >> >>> On 24 August 2012 15:34, Jay Smith <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> > We can afford it. >> >>> > >> >>> > Am I correct in assuming $800-$850/mo is skullspace's and >> assentworks's >> >>> > combined charge? >> >>> > Have you and Mike considered offering to pay a percentage of the >> bill >> >>> > rather >> >>> > than a fixed rate? >> >>> > >> >>> > If my assumptions are correct, we're now offering to pay 60% of our >> >>> > usage. >> >>> > If we go through with our 1/3 reduction plans, we will be paying >> 90% of >> >>> > the >> >>> > bill. This seems high. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Andrew Orr <[email protected]> >> >>> > wrote: >> >>> >> >> >>> >> How many members do we even have? I know there's been a few people >> who >> >>> >> have left recently. Can we even afford this with our current >> >>> >> membership and >> >>> >> the budget we worked out? >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Ron <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> I personally have no problem with you making the offer, provided >> Jay >> >>> >>> says it's a reasonable commitment financially. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Ron >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> On 2012-08-24 14:24, Justin Lacko wrote: >> >>> >>> > This is an important follow-up to earlier discussions involving >> the >> >>> >>> > cost of electrical on our floor. >> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> > As you may know, Mike Legary and myself are meeting with Marvin, >> >>> >>> > our >> >>> >>> > landlord on Tuesday afternoon to discuss the electrical bills. >> >>> >>> > Today I >> >>> >>> > received the most recent electrical bill (we are billed monthly) >> >>> >>> > which >> >>> >>> > came in at around $1100. This bill includes cre8ery's usage, >> plus >> >>> >>> > public building usage (garage lights, etc). Today Mike Legary >> also >> >>> >>> > had >> >>> >>> > an electrician come and accurately measure our power usage on >> the >> >>> >>> > floor. The results are that with AW running its lights always >> and >> >>> >>> > regular use of their equipment, they are consuming roughly the >> same >> >>> >>> > amount of electricity as SkullSpace is, which is 36A per group >> (36A >> >>> >>> > SkSp, 36A AW). Our rough estimated electrical bills has been >> >>> >>> > calculated at $800-$850/mo. at peak use. >> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> > What all of this means in the simplest terms is that the >> landlord >> >>> >>> > is >> >>> >>> > losing money on our lease, which is not good. This would very >> >>> >>> > easily >> >>> >>> > be a good reason to terminate our lease. Mike Legary estimated >> the >> >>> >>> > landlord currently making $0.50/sq. ft. on the space, and with >> >>> >>> > taxes >> >>> >>> > at $0.70/sq. ft., which results in negative profit. In the >> upcoming >> >>> >>> > meeting, the landlord will almost certainly be asking for a >> >>> >>> > reduction >> >>> >>> > of our usage. >> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> > The suggestion that we will be making on Tuesday's meeting is >> that >> >>> >>> > SkSp & AW will pay for a certain portion of the electrical in >> order >> >>> >>> > to >> >>> >>> > alleviate the problem of the landlord losing money. Don't forget >> >>> >>> > that >> >>> >>> > our lease has a 6-month clause which means that the landlord >> could >> >>> >>> > terminate on us at any time. Our max offered contribution >> towards >> >>> >>> > the >> >>> >>> > electrical bill will be $250/mo. per group, meaning a $500 >> >>> >>> > contribution from the floor. Again, we are doing this so that we >> >>> >>> > appear as the "good guys" who are recognising that the landlord >> is >> >>> >>> > not >> >>> >>> > making money on us, and primarily we are doing this so that we >> >>> >>> > don't >> >>> >>> > lose our lease. AssentWorks has already agreed to this amount, >> and >> >>> >>> > we >> >>> >>> > need SkullSpace to be on board by Monday so that we can take >> this >> >>> >>> > offer to the meeting on Tuesday. If SkullSpace does not agree to >> >>> >>> > this >> >>> >>> > and AssentWorks does, not only will it look bad on our part when >> >>> >>> > talking to the landlord, but it will almost certainly result in >> the >> >>> >>> > loss of our lease. The other added part to this agreement is for >> >>> >>> > both >> >>> >>> > sides to reduce electrical consumption by 1/3 (the amount we >> will >> >>> >>> > bring to the table). This isn't as hard as it sounds; we have >> old >> >>> >>> > lighting taking up double the power of new lights; and lighting >> >>> >>> > could >> >>> >>> > be put on motion sensors as AssentWorks will be doing. We could >> >>> >>> > also >> >>> >>> > properly ventilate our server room which will result in reduced >> >>> >>> > workload on the machines and save us money. >> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> > Unfortunately this issue is not one that can wait for a formal >> >>> >>> > meeting >> >>> >>> > vote by members; Mike Legary and I need to go into this as >> being on >> >>> >>> > the same page in order to present a concerted response. Part of >> our >> >>> >>> > discussions will also focus on increased electrical due to the >> >>> >>> > landlord's decision to install space heaters, bad windows, etc. >> >>> >>> > etc. >> >>> >>> > Mike and I will work hard for SkSp and AW to bargain as best as >> we >> >>> >>> > can >> >>> >>> > in this process and also ensure that our upcoming electrical >> plans >> >>> >>> > do >> >>> >>> > not render these discussions moot. >> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> > I will try my best to answer all questions pertaining to this as >> >>> >>> > best >> >>> >>> > as I can. >> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> > Thanks, >> >>> >>> > Justin >> >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ >> >>> >>> > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> >>> >>> > Help: >> http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> >>> >>> > Archive: >> >>> >>> > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> >>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> >>> >>> Help: >> http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> >>> >>> Archive: >> https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >>> >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> >>> >> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> >>> >> Archive: >> https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >> >>> > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> >>> > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> >>> > Archive: >> https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> >>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> >>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> >> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> >> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> _______________________________________________ >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >
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