I'd rather it just be opt in. On 2013-04-08 12:48 PM, "Roswyne" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Sure. Where do I get a list of current members? > > It can certainly be opt-out, but should at least be pre-loaded to make > sure that people do not miss out on things through sloth/ignorance. > On Apr 8, 2013 11:11 AM, "Jay Smith" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Forget Mak and the existing list admins, just do it: http://www.list.org/ >> >> On 08/04/2013 10:34 AM, Roswyne wrote: >> > I'm not sure what maintenance is required: wouldn't it be a direct copy >> > of the members@ list, which already exists? The only difference would >> > be that people would be allowed to post on it. >> > >> > On Apr 8, 2013 10:14 AM, "Ron" <[email protected] >> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> > >> > Pretty much, yep. It comes down to the "if nobody wants to maintain >> it, >> > it won't happen" issue. >> > >> > Of course, if somebody else knows how to manage mailman, and mak >> trusts >> > them enough, maybe it can be worked out. :P >> > >> > Ron >> > >> > On 2013-04-08 09:59, Justin Lacko wrote: >> > > Sooo you're saying the biggest issue is truculence on the >> > administrators' >> > > parts? ;) >> > > >> > > >> > > On 8 April 2013 09:53, Ron <[email protected] >> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> > > >> > > > I agree - I hate it when conversations are derailed by people >> > yelling >> > > > "bikeshed!" or "dead horse!" - sometimes discussions are useful >> > to have, >> > > > even if they're long. And I typically take everybody's opinions >> into >> > > > account. >> > > > >> > > > The biggest issue with the members mailing list is that it's a >> > lot of >> > > > extra work for me and/or mak to maintain, and neither of us >> > thinks it's >> > > > useful enough to do. :) >> > > > >> > > > Ron >> > > > >> > > > On 2013-04-08 09:16, Justin Lacko wrote: >> > > > > I don't see the point in pointing out what is bikeshedding and >> > what >> > > > isn't. >> > > > > Everyone has different concerns - even if their point isn't >> > direct, >> > > > they're >> > > > > putting in the effort to try and explain their opinion and we >> > should try >> > > > > and respect that. >> > > > > >> > > > > There's probably nothing wrong with having a members-only list >> > where >> > > > topics >> > > > > would be left up to the members; and having a public discuss >> > list where >> > > > > topics would also be left up to the members (and associated >> > subscribers). >> > > > > >> > > > > I think some of the concerns of having such a list are being >> > blown way >> > > > out >> > > > > of proportion. Has anything *that important* ever been >> > discussed on the >> > > > > mailing list? :P (I ask this half-jokingly, as I'm sure there >> > are a few >> > > > > topics people could think of.) >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > On 8 April 2013 08:43, Alex Weber <[email protected] >> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > > Hurray for bikeshedding! >> > > > > > >> > > > > > On 04/08/13 01:56, Roswyne wrote: >> > > > > > > Certainly: we maintain a website, blog, Flickr, Twitter, >> > etc. to >> > > > have a >> > > > > > > public face. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > My question was simply: is a mailing list a good addition >> > to that >> > > > public >> > > > > > > face, or are there other advantages to having a >> > members-only list >> > > > that we >> > > > > > > might want to consider? >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > You've mentioned many advantages to making your new list >> > > > members-only... >> > > > > > > yet I think that list would look better to the public than >> > this >> > > > one... >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Apr 8, 2013 1:26 AM, "Mak Kolybabi" <[email protected] >> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On 2013-04-07 22:51, Roswyne wrote: >> > > > > > >>> What I don't understand is this urge for openness. We >> > are a private >> > > > > > club: >> > > > > > >>> I'm happy we want to be open with members, but I feel no >> > > > requirement to >> > > > > > >> be >> > > > > > >>> open with non-members. >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> Being open, publicly, buys us a lot. It keeps our heads >> > in the >> > > > correct, >> > > > > > >> accurate >> > > > > > >> context. It helps us interact with the community. It >> helps us >> > > > attract >> > > > > > >> members. >> > > > > > >> It helps us dispel the myths, prejudices, and FUD that >> > come part and >> > > > > > >> parcel with >> > > > > > >> the term 'hacker'[1]. Anyone that spends half-an-hour on >> the >> > > > Internet >> > > > > > can >> > > > > > >> get an >> > > > > > >> accurate picture of who we are and what we're about, >> > which is great >> > > > > > >> marketing[2]. >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> If I could offer you only one tip for the future, >> > > > sunscreen^wopenness >> > > > > > >> would be it[3]. >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> [1] Not to mention the fact that we're all a bit weird. >> > > > > > >> [2] Excuse me as I take a silkwood shower for saying the >> > m-word. >> > > > > > >> [3] http://www.lyricscrawler.com/song/3953.html >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> -- >> > > > > > >> Mak Kolybabi >> > > > > > >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> () ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML e-mail >> > > > > > >> /\ www.asciiribbon.org <http://www.asciiribbon.org> | >> > Against proprietary extensions >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> > > > > > >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> > > > > > >> Help: >> > http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> > > > > > >> Archive: >> > > > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> > > > > > > Help: >> > http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> > > > > > > Archive: >> > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> > > > > > Help: >> > http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> > > > > > Archive: >> > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> > > > > Help: >> http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> > > > > Archive: >> > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> > > > Help: >> http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> > > > Archive: >> https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> > > > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> > > Help: >> http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> > > Archive: >> https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> > Archive: >> https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> > > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >
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