Why would we make a members-only mailing list opt-in? The original purpose was for vote stuff - things deemed "member-related." If we make it opt-in, then the message isn't reaching everybody.
It kinda sounds like some people would rather only be part of a members-only list that discusses SkSp-related stuff. Discuss could stop being a catch-all and be used to discuss upcoming events, cool stuff, etc. People could have the option to unsubscribe from that list and not feel they're missing the "important" stuff. On 8 April 2013 13:01, Jim MacKenzie <[email protected]> wrote: > I'd rather it just be opt in. > On 2013-04-08 12:48 PM, "Roswyne" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Sure. Where do I get a list of current members? >> >> It can certainly be opt-out, but should at least be pre-loaded to make >> sure that people do not miss out on things through sloth/ignorance. >> On Apr 8, 2013 11:11 AM, "Jay Smith" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Forget Mak and the existing list admins, just do it: >>> http://www.list.org/ >>> >>> On 08/04/2013 10:34 AM, Roswyne wrote: >>> > I'm not sure what maintenance is required: wouldn't it be a direct copy >>> > of the members@ list, which already exists? The only difference would >>> > be that people would be allowed to post on it. >>> > >>> > On Apr 8, 2013 10:14 AM, "Ron" <[email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Pretty much, yep. It comes down to the "if nobody wants to >>> maintain it, >>> > it won't happen" issue. >>> > >>> > Of course, if somebody else knows how to manage mailman, and mak >>> trusts >>> > them enough, maybe it can be worked out. :P >>> > >>> > Ron >>> > >>> > On 2013-04-08 09:59, Justin Lacko wrote: >>> > > Sooo you're saying the biggest issue is truculence on the >>> > administrators' >>> > > parts? ;) >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > On 8 April 2013 09:53, Ron <[email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> > > >>> > > > I agree - I hate it when conversations are derailed by people >>> > yelling >>> > > > "bikeshed!" or "dead horse!" - sometimes discussions are useful >>> > to have, >>> > > > even if they're long. And I typically take everybody's >>> opinions into >>> > > > account. >>> > > > >>> > > > The biggest issue with the members mailing list is that it's a >>> > lot of >>> > > > extra work for me and/or mak to maintain, and neither of us >>> > thinks it's >>> > > > useful enough to do. :) >>> > > > >>> > > > Ron >>> > > > >>> > > > On 2013-04-08 09:16, Justin Lacko wrote: >>> > > > > I don't see the point in pointing out what is bikeshedding >>> and >>> > what >>> > > > isn't. >>> > > > > Everyone has different concerns - even if their point isn't >>> > direct, >>> > > > they're >>> > > > > putting in the effort to try and explain their opinion and we >>> > should try >>> > > > > and respect that. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > There's probably nothing wrong with having a members-only >>> list >>> > where >>> > > > topics >>> > > > > would be left up to the members; and having a public discuss >>> > list where >>> > > > > topics would also be left up to the members (and associated >>> > subscribers). >>> > > > > >>> > > > > I think some of the concerns of having such a list are being >>> > blown way >>> > > > out >>> > > > > of proportion. Has anything *that important* ever been >>> > discussed on the >>> > > > > mailing list? :P (I ask this half-jokingly, as I'm sure there >>> > are a few >>> > > > > topics people could think of.) >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > On 8 April 2013 08:43, Alex Weber <[email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> > > > > >>> > > > > > Hurray for bikeshedding! >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > On 04/08/13 01:56, Roswyne wrote: >>> > > > > > > Certainly: we maintain a website, blog, Flickr, Twitter, >>> > etc. to >>> > > > have a >>> > > > > > > public face. >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > My question was simply: is a mailing list a good addition >>> > to that >>> > > > public >>> > > > > > > face, or are there other advantages to having a >>> > members-only list >>> > > > that we >>> > > > > > > might want to consider? >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > You've mentioned many advantages to making your new list >>> > > > members-only... >>> > > > > > > yet I think that list would look better to the public >>> than >>> > this >>> > > > one... >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > On Apr 8, 2013 1:26 AM, "Mak Kolybabi" <[email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> On 2013-04-07 22:51, Roswyne wrote: >>> > > > > > >>> What I don't understand is this urge for openness. We >>> > are a private >>> > > > > > club: >>> > > > > > >>> I'm happy we want to be open with members, but I feel >>> no >>> > > > requirement to >>> > > > > > >> be >>> > > > > > >>> open with non-members. >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> Being open, publicly, buys us a lot. It keeps our heads >>> > in the >>> > > > correct, >>> > > > > > >> accurate >>> > > > > > >> context. It helps us interact with the community. It >>> helps us >>> > > > attract >>> > > > > > >> members. >>> > > > > > >> It helps us dispel the myths, prejudices, and FUD that >>> > come part and >>> > > > > > >> parcel with >>> > > > > > >> the term 'hacker'[1]. Anyone that spends half-an-hour >>> on the >>> > > > Internet >>> > > > > > can >>> > > > > > >> get an >>> > > > > > >> accurate picture of who we are and what we're about, >>> > which is great >>> > > > > > >> marketing[2]. >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> If I could offer you only one tip for the future, >>> > > > sunscreen^wopenness >>> > > > > > >> would be it[3]. >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> [1] Not to mention the fact that we're all a bit weird. >>> > > > > > >> [2] Excuse me as I take a silkwood shower for saying the >>> > m-word. >>> > > > > > >> [3] http://www.lyricscrawler.com/song/3953.html >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> -- >>> > > > > > >> Mak Kolybabi >>> > > > > > >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> () ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML e-mail >>> > > > > > >> /\ www.asciiribbon.org <http://www.asciiribbon.org> | >>> > Against proprietary extensions >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ >>> > > > > > >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>> > > > > > >> Help: >>> > http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>> > > > > > >> Archive: >>> > > > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > > > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>> > > > > > > Help: >>> > http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>> > > > > > > Archive: >>> > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>> > > > > > Help: >>> > http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>> > > > > > Archive: >>> > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>> > > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>> > > > > Help: >>> http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>> > > > > Archive: >>> > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>> > > > >>> > > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>> > > > Help: >>> http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>> > > > Archive: >>> https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>> > > > >>> > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>> > > Help: >>> http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>> > > Archive: >>> https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>> > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>> > Archive: >>> https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>> > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>> > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> > > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >
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