We can't give out the list - bylaw rule. But people can opt-in. :) Ron
On 2013-04-08 12:48, Roswyne wrote: > Sure. Where do I get a list of current members? > > It can certainly be opt-out, but should at least be pre-loaded to make sure > that people do not miss out on things through sloth/ignorance. > On Apr 8, 2013 11:11 AM, "Jay Smith" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Forget Mak and the existing list admins, just do it: http://www.list.org/ > > > > On 08/04/2013 10:34 AM, Roswyne wrote: > > > I'm not sure what maintenance is required: wouldn't it be a direct copy > > > of the members@ list, which already exists? The only difference would > > > be that people would be allowed to post on it. > > > > > > On Apr 8, 2013 10:14 AM, "Ron" <[email protected] > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > > Pretty much, yep. It comes down to the "if nobody wants to maintain > > it, > > > it won't happen" issue. > > > > > > Of course, if somebody else knows how to manage mailman, and mak > > trusts > > > them enough, maybe it can be worked out. :P > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > On 2013-04-08 09:59, Justin Lacko wrote: > > > > Sooo you're saying the biggest issue is truculence on the > > > administrators' > > > > parts? ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8 April 2013 09:53, Ron <[email protected] > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I agree - I hate it when conversations are derailed by people > > > yelling > > > > > "bikeshed!" or "dead horse!" - sometimes discussions are useful > > > to have, > > > > > even if they're long. And I typically take everybody's opinions > > into > > > > > account. > > > > > > > > > > The biggest issue with the members mailing list is that it's a > > > lot of > > > > > extra work for me and/or mak to maintain, and neither of us > > > thinks it's > > > > > useful enough to do. :) > > > > > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > > > On 2013-04-08 09:16, Justin Lacko wrote: > > > > > > I don't see the point in pointing out what is bikeshedding and > > > what > > > > > isn't. > > > > > > Everyone has different concerns - even if their point isn't > > > direct, > > > > > they're > > > > > > putting in the effort to try and explain their opinion and we > > > should try > > > > > > and respect that. > > > > > > > > > > > > There's probably nothing wrong with having a members-only list > > > where > > > > > topics > > > > > > would be left up to the members; and having a public discuss > > > list where > > > > > > topics would also be left up to the members (and associated > > > subscribers). > > > > > > > > > > > > I think some of the concerns of having such a list are being > > > blown way > > > > > out > > > > > > of proportion. Has anything *that important* ever been > > > discussed on the > > > > > > mailing list? :P (I ask this half-jokingly, as I'm sure there > > > are a few > > > > > > topics people could think of.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8 April 2013 08:43, Alex Weber <[email protected] > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hurray for bikeshedding! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 04/08/13 01:56, Roswyne wrote: > > > > > > > > Certainly: we maintain a website, blog, Flickr, Twitter, > > > etc. to > > > > > have a > > > > > > > > public face. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My question was simply: is a mailing list a good addition > > > to that > > > > > public > > > > > > > > face, or are there other advantages to having a > > > members-only list > > > > > that we > > > > > > > > might want to consider? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You've mentioned many advantages to making your new list > > > > > members-only... > > > > > > > > yet I think that list would look better to the public than > > > this > > > > > one... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 8, 2013 1:26 AM, "Mak Kolybabi" <[email protected] > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 2013-04-07 22:51, Roswyne wrote: > > > > > > > >>> What I don't understand is this urge for openness. We > > > are a private > > > > > > > club: > > > > > > > >>> I'm happy we want to be open with members, but I feel no > > > > > requirement to > > > > > > > >> be > > > > > > > >>> open with non-members. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Being open, publicly, buys us a lot. It keeps our heads > > > in the > > > > > correct, > > > > > > > >> accurate > > > > > > > >> context. It helps us interact with the community. It > > helps us > > > > > attract > > > > > > > >> members. > > > > > > > >> It helps us dispel the myths, prejudices, and FUD that > > > come part and > > > > > > > >> parcel with > > > > > > > >> the term 'hacker'[1]. Anyone that spends half-an-hour on > > the > > > > > Internet > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > >> get an > > > > > > > >> accurate picture of who we are and what we're about, > > > which is great > > > > > > > >> marketing[2]. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> If I could offer you only one tip for the future, > > > > > sunscreen^wopenness > > > > > > > >> would be it[3]. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> [1] Not to mention the fact that we're all a bit weird. > > > > > > > >> [2] Excuse me as I take a silkwood shower for saying the > > > m-word. > > > > > > > >> [3] http://www.lyricscrawler.com/song/3953.html > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> -- > > > > > > > >> Mak Kolybabi > > > > > > > >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> () ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML e-mail > > > > > > > >> /\ www.asciiribbon.org <http://www.asciiribbon.org> | > > > Against proprietary extensions > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > > > > > >> Help: > > > http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > > > > > >> Archive: > > > > > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > > > > > > Help: > > > http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > > > > > > Archive: > > > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > > > > > Help: > > > http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > > > > > Archive: > > > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > > > > Help: > > http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > > > > Archive: > > > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > > > Help: > > http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > > > Archive: > > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > > Archive: > > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ _______________________________________________ SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/
