Sorry Jay, just getting frustrated, mostly with myself, I guess, and I inadvertently put words in your mouth.
The only reason I could see not to put the space's phone number on the cards would be if there's any difficulty in responding to voicemail. A phone seems to be a valuable potential method of contact to offer. Although I understand that Ron and Brittany and others give out their own phone numbers when taking lead on specific issues, these are "company" business cards, not personal ... so if a # is provided, it should be the SkSp line. Is providing it going to hurt anything? At worst, I think it may clutter the card slightly. On Sep 1, 2013 12:20 AM, "Jay Smith" <[email protected]> wrote: > ...The number isn't on the website. It's just in the wiki. > > > If no one is willing to return calls, then you're right: the number > shouldn't be on business cards. > Right, so I see we've entered the passive aggressive phase of the > discussion. > > Colin, prepare the Thunder-dome. > > On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Roswyne <[email protected]> wrote: > > (shrugging) > > > > If no one is willing to return calls, then you're right: the number > > shouldn't be on business cards. > > > > By the same reasoning, perhaps we should not print it on the next batch > of > > pamphlets, and take it off the website. > > > > On Aug 31, 2013 7:47 PM, "Colin Stanners" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> simple solution: after the phone number put the next "if anyone's here". > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Jay Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> "I think the cards are incomplete without our phone number." > >>> Huh? The business card police are not going to hunt you down if you > >>> create one without a phone number. I'd rather not have to explain to > >>> everybody I hand the card out to that: 1) It will almost always go to > >>> voice mail 2) if it doesn't go to voice-mail, you'll get a random > >>> member and likely not the person you need to talk to. > >>> > >>> "Can I have a tour of the space?" doesn't even register on the list of > >>> things we get phone calls for - and even if it did - that phone number > >>> is far from the best way to approach it. Brittany gets phone calls for > >>> SkullSpace Social matters, Ron gets phone calls for media queries, > >>> I'll likely get phone calls regarding C4 things, Ian will get phone > >>> calls regarding collaborations with other groups, random members will > >>> get calls for projects, events, and research they're doing. We are NOT > >>> going to tell any of our contacts to call an unmanned number to reach > >>> us. > >>> > >>> It is rude, it's useless, and frankly it's embarrassing. > >>> > >>> On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Roswyne <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > I think the cards are incomplete without our phone number. > >>> > > >>> > Leaving voicemail isn't offensive: the only potential issue I see is > if > >>> > the > >>> > call isn't returned in a reasonable timeframe. Since it'll go to the > >>> > same > >>> > people, I imagine the turnaround would be the same as emailing info@ > . > >>> > > >>> > If you are making a personal contact and provide your personal phone > >>> > number, > >>> > then there would naturally be different expectations when calling it, > >>> > and > >>> > that's your choice if you want to give out your own number. > >>> > > >>> > Thanks very much for working on these, and explaining how cards are > >>> > used > >>> > differently than brochures. TIL ! :) > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Jay Smith <[email protected]> > >>> > wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> > But I'm still not sure why we not also list the SkSp phone number. > >>> >> Mostly because it will likely end in painful frustration for queries > >>> >> other than "Is anybody at the space right now?", and also because if > >>> >> I'm giving someone a business card it's likely to facilitate > follow-up > >>> >> on something very specific. For example, if it's a media person, I'm > >>> >> likely going to have them follow up to me directly so I can get them > >>> >> in touch with the board (Or I might just shamelessly give them Ron > or > >>> >> Ian's number - sorry in advance guys!). It's true that the space > >>> >> voicemail does go straight to [email protected], but I'd consider > it > >>> >> pretty rude if somebody gave me the phone number to a voice-mail > >>> >> system. > >>> >> > >>> >> Again, it's important to keep in mind the context in which business > >>> >> cards are given out. Traditionally, a business card is only given > out > >>> >> after a personal connection is made - it's supposed to serve as a > >>> >> physical representation of that contact (Japanese business culture > >>> >> takes this to the extreme). I'm not going to give a voice-mail > number > >>> >> to a good contact. > >>> >> > >>> >> Aside: As they represent personal contacts - business cards are also > >>> >> supposed to survive for a long time - this is why I'm not a fan of > >>> >> "free" business cards that fall apart easily. Leaflets and brochures > >>> >> however, are expected to have the lifespan of however long it takes > to > >>> >> read them. > >>> >> > >>> >> Your earlier comments seem to indicate that you view business cards > as > >>> >> a cheaper replacement for brochures. I'm afraid they don't replace > >>> >> each other so much as compliment each other. > >>> >> > >>> >> - Jay / @Sporked > >>> >> > >>> >> Ps. I understand that I'm pulling a total Patrick Bateman when it > >>> >> comes to business cards, and I apologize to everyone who sees this > as > >>> >> an insane amount of bikeshedding over a piece of paper. I just > really > >>> >> happen to be fascinated by the design and thought that goes into > >>> >> mundane things like this :) > >>> >> > >>> >> On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Roswyne <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> >> > I think that looks great! > >>> >> > > >>> >> > But I'm still not sure why we not also list the SkSp phone number. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Even if it's not ideal (for instant communication), it's got > >>> >> > voicemail > >>> >> > which > >>> >> > the directors automatically receive, in much the same way the > info@ > >>> >> > address > >>> >> > works, afaik. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > And a blank back for notes etc. Per what Jay was saying :) > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on the MTS High Speed Mobility > >>> >> > Network > >>> >> > > >>> >> > -----Original Message----- > >>> >> > From: Jeremy Hiebert <[email protected]> > >>> >> > Sender: [email protected]: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 > >>> >> > 17:50:37 > >>> >> > To: [email protected]<[email protected]> > >>> >> > Reply-To: [email protected] > >>> >> > Subject: Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] SkSp business cards > >>> >> > > >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > >>> >> > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > >>> >> > Help: > http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > >>> >> > Archive: > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > >>> >> > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > >>> >> > Help: > http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > >>> >> > Archive: > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > >>> >> > > >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > >>> >> > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > >>> >> > Help: > http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > >>> >> > Archive: > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > >>> >> _______________________________________________ > >>> >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > >>> >> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > >>> >> Archive: > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > >>> > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > >>> > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > >>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > >>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > >> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > >> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >
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