If the people giving out the cards were always in the habit of writing their
number (or the contextually-important member’s number) on the back (in clean
professional numerals!) would remove all concerns about not having such a
valuable potential method of contact &c.
There are a few reasons:
-The number depends on who the person is interested in speaking with (events,
C4, organizational, etc)
-It would be hard to get cards done for everyone who’s phone was needed
-If any numbers change, those cards would be invalidated
-The main SkSp phone is mostly used to check if people are there, when someone
doesn’t want to putter around there alone. Most people who just happen to be
there would have an awkward time just letting random people in and giving them
tours. (Tuesday is much better for that)
Of Jay’s latest, #2.3 is the best one. The logo in 2.0 squishes everything else
horribly, and in 2.2 the curve just kind of separates it. As it is, the logo in
2.3 looks too low unless you look at it from the right context.
The main difference I see between 1.1 and 2.1 is that one uses white and the
other uses black. What about using an all-white or all-black card? The
typography and the simple accent colour would be the only elements needed to
reinforce our brand image. If we wanted some funky dissonance, we could draw a
line from the top about a third in to the bottom about two thirds in, and
everything on the right side of that could be inverted to white-on-black. I’ll
play with a couple themes and post them.
We could get a two-sided card sort of like the back of that other one
(http://imgur.com/iHE3J4M), but more like a soft watermark so that it’s easy to
write over. And embiggened so that the left third of the circle and the tips of
the right-most letters clip off the edge?
From: Roswyne
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 1:20 AM
To: Skull Space Discussion List
Subject: Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] SkSp business cards
Sorry Jay, just getting frustrated, mostly with myself, I guess, and I
inadvertently put words in your mouth.
The only reason I could see not to put the space's phone number on the cards
would be if there's any difficulty in responding to voicemail. A phone seems to
be a valuable potential method of contact to offer.
Although I understand that Ron and Brittany and others give out their own phone
numbers when taking lead on specific issues, these are "company" business
cards, not personal ... so if a # is provided, it should be the SkSp line. Is
providing it going to hurt anything? At worst, I think it may clutter the card
slightly.
On Sep 1, 2013 12:20 AM, "Jay Smith" <[email protected]> wrote:
...The number isn't on the website. It's just in the wiki.
> If no one is willing to return calls, then you're right: the number
shouldn't be on business cards.
Right, so I see we've entered the passive aggressive phase of the discussion.
Colin, prepare the Thunder-dome.
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Roswyne <[email protected]> wrote:
> (shrugging)
>
> If no one is willing to return calls, then you're right: the number
> shouldn't be on business cards.
>
> By the same reasoning, perhaps we should not print it on the next batch of
> pamphlets, and take it off the website.
>
> On Aug 31, 2013 7:47 PM, "Colin Stanners" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> simple solution: after the phone number put the next "if anyone's here".
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Jay Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> "I think the cards are incomplete without our phone number."
>>> Huh? The business card police are not going to hunt you down if you
>>> create one without a phone number. I'd rather not have to explain to
>>> everybody I hand the card out to that: 1) It will almost always go to
>>> voice mail 2) if it doesn't go to voice-mail, you'll get a random
>>> member and likely not the person you need to talk to.
>>>
>>> "Can I have a tour of the space?" doesn't even register on the list of
>>> things we get phone calls for - and even if it did - that phone number
>>> is far from the best way to approach it. Brittany gets phone calls for
>>> SkullSpace Social matters, Ron gets phone calls for media queries,
>>> I'll likely get phone calls regarding C4 things, Ian will get phone
>>> calls regarding collaborations with other groups, random members will
>>> get calls for projects, events, and research they're doing. We are NOT
>>> going to tell any of our contacts to call an unmanned number to reach
>>> us.
>>>
>>> It is rude, it's useless, and frankly it's embarrassing.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Roswyne <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> > I think the cards are incomplete without our phone number.
>>> >
>>> > Leaving voicemail isn't offensive: the only potential issue I see is if
>>> > the
>>> > call isn't returned in a reasonable timeframe. Since it'll go to the
>>> > same
>>> > people, I imagine the turnaround would be the same as emailing info@.
>>> >
>>> > If you are making a personal contact and provide your personal phone
>>> > number,
>>> > then there would naturally be different expectations when calling it,
>>> > and
>>> > that's your choice if you want to give out your own number.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks very much for working on these, and explaining how cards are
>>> > used
>>> > differently than brochures. TIL ! :)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Jay Smith <[email protected]>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > But I'm still not sure why we not also list the SkSp phone number.
>>> >> Mostly because it will likely end in painful frustration for queries
>>> >> other than "Is anybody at the space right now?", and also because if
>>> >> I'm giving someone a business card it's likely to facilitate follow-up
>>> >> on something very specific. For example, if it's a media person, I'm
>>> >> likely going to have them follow up to me directly so I can get them
>>> >> in touch with the board (Or I might just shamelessly give them Ron or
>>> >> Ian's number - sorry in advance guys!). It's true that the space
>>> >> voicemail does go straight to [email protected], but I'd consider it
>>> >> pretty rude if somebody gave me the phone number to a voice-mail
>>> >> system.
>>> >>
>>> >> Again, it's important to keep in mind the context in which business
>>> >> cards are given out. Traditionally, a business card is only given out
>>> >> after a personal connection is made - it's supposed to serve as a
>>> >> physical representation of that contact (Japanese business culture
>>> >> takes this to the extreme). I'm not going to give a voice-mail number
>>> >> to a good contact.
>>> >>
>>> >> Aside: As they represent personal contacts - business cards are also
>>> >> supposed to survive for a long time - this is why I'm not a fan of
>>> >> "free" business cards that fall apart easily. Leaflets and brochures
>>> >> however, are expected to have the lifespan of however long it takes to
>>> >> read them.
>>> >>
>>> >> Your earlier comments seem to indicate that you view business cards as
>>> >> a cheaper replacement for brochures. I'm afraid they don't replace
>>> >> each other so much as compliment each other.
>>> >>
>>> >> - Jay / @Sporked
>>> >>
>>> >> Ps. I understand that I'm pulling a total Patrick Bateman when it
>>> >> comes to business cards, and I apologize to everyone who sees this as
>>> >> an insane amount of bikeshedding over a piece of paper. I just really
>>> >> happen to be fascinated by the design and thought that goes into
>>> >> mundane things like this :)
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Roswyne <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >> > I think that looks great!
>>> >> >
>>> >> > But I'm still not sure why we not also list the SkSp phone number.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Even if it's not ideal (for instant communication), it's got
>>> >> > voicemail
>>> >> > which
>>> >> > the directors automatically receive, in much the same way the info@
>>> >> > address
>>> >> > works, afaik.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > And a blank back for notes etc. Per what Jay was saying :)
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on the MTS High Speed Mobility
>>> >> > Network
>>> >> >
>>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>>> >> > From: Jeremy Hiebert <[email protected]>
>>> >> > Sender: [email protected]: Fri, 30 Aug 2013
>>> >> > 17:50:37
>>> >> > To: [email protected]<[email protected]>
>>> >> > Reply-To: [email protected]
>>> >> > Subject: Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] SkSp business cards
>>> >> >
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